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Re: I lost all my savings in a mistaken Ethereum transaction

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The most downvoted comment in the Github issue seems totally right.. why did this guy put his life savings in a crypto? Even without making any mistake this seems like a dumb move.

While that's a very valid question, it's not helpful to the OP.

It's not helpful there, but it's definitely worth discussing here.

Re: I lost all my savings in a mistaken Ethereum transaction

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Can someone ELI5 who has/owns the $50k worth of crypto now? (I don't know what the GHST staking contract means.)

It's basically in limbo. The recipient contract isn't setup to receive funds from that chain, but it is a valid address. The recipient from a quick scan of the content appears to be immutable so it can never be updated to "receive" the funds.

Re: I lost all my savings in a mistaken Ethereum transaction

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you wouldn't. You could almost certainly recover the money. If you wire money to the wrong place, and that person won't return it, that's theft. Likewise, if someone suddenly receives an unexpected million dollars in the account, they should not consider spending it -- that would be a big mistake.

While this is true, it might be costly (as it has been for Citigroup) https://www.ft.com/content/a50cd095-2811-41ab-b783-b09944691...

I can no longer find a good source, but I believe in the Citigroup case, they owed that money, it is just that instead of making a standard monthly payment, they paid a large fraction (maybe even all?) of what was owed. That's quite different from sending money into the ether/random recipient. That makes matters substantially more difficult.

Correction: Citigroup didn't owe the money, they were acting on behalf of Revlon, who owed the money.

Re: I lost all my savings in a mistaken Ethereum transaction

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Spend your life savings on a bunch of numbers. Act surprised when they evaporate.

While I don't think crypto is the wisest place to vest oneself, I think you could flippantly say this about a lot of financial instruments over the years.

Re: I lost all my savings in a mistaken Ethereum transaction

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This is one of very few reasons why having centralised banks is going to be necessary. Whether the pros of having banks outweigh the cons decentralised currencies, is yet to be determined. Personally, I still don't believe they do. Anyway, the usual bank transaction care should still apply, especially _because_ there is no central authority to reverse charges. Normally when I send money to anyone, I check it first by…

Well, it is also possible to send money to the wrong account number by bank transfer. In that case the banks also generally say that they cannot do anything about it.

That's not correct. At least not in general and not in most developed countries. If it's international transfer, it's more complicated.

You should transfer to be stopped or reversed as fast as possible. If it can't be done, receiving bank can freeze the funds.

Sometimes the person who receives the money may be held liable if they just spend large sums of money that were transferred to their account.

Re: I lost all my savings in a mistaken Ethereum transaction

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Poor guy accidentally sent his funds to the wrong address, losing his life's savings. More info here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/kdwg1b/i_lost_all... And here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/ke2hxz/aavegotchi... And here: https://twitter.com/mudgen/status/1338967176968069127

While I accept it's a tradeoff where other people might take another view, this is type of thing is why I personally don't want to put money into blockchains. I want mistakes to be fixable, by going to court if necessary, rather than money just being lost forever because I mistyped a character and "computer says no".

Much like a real world contract between - say - you and a bank when they accept your deposit, a smart contract should contain code provisions to revert the funds back to their owner if a certain set of circumstances happens in the environment (i.e. in the blockchain).

For example there could be, as part of the contract, much like there are exceptional provisions in real world contract, a M-of-N sig allowing the funds to be reverted back to the sender if enough (M) people agree that it's the correct thing to do.

This particular contract didn't seem to have any such provisions, which made it very unsafe.

Current smart contracts aren't very sophisticated yet, this is still the stone age for programmable money.

Things will improve, but in the meantime ... be safe out there.

Re: I lost all my savings in a mistaken Ethereum transaction

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post #19

This is one of very few reasons why having centralised banks is going to be necessary. Whether the pros of having banks outweigh the cons decentralised currencies, is yet to be determined. Personally, I still don't believe they do. Anyway, the usual bank transaction care should still apply, especially _because_ there is no central authority to reverse charges. Normally when I send money to anyone, I check it first by…

What you are said contradicts all of my current life experience. Established banks are very good at handling reversed charges in the case of mistakes, fraud, and ESPECIALLY glitches. In the case of a glitch, banks _do_ have authorities that can mutate the system to fix things. Now, I don't have experience with very large sums of cash, but I own a house and I have opened and closed a few investment accounts. I never f…

I send test payments through the tubes first when a big one is following. I want to remove the risk of typos for the real payments, so I want the receiver already keyed in with an account that I have already used > once. The stress of having to fill out admin for a big payout gone awry is too much to risk for a few days of expedience.

Re: I lost all my savings in a mistaken Ethereum transaction

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post #64

The most downvoted comment in the Github issue seems totally right.. why did this guy put his life savings in a crypto? Even without making any mistake this seems like a dumb move.

> why did this guy put his life savings in a crypto Good point, (which was my first reaction.) But consider this: If, when you were young, you bought a few $1000 of Microsoft stock, Apple stock, Google stock, ect, when they went public, that investment could have grown to be the majority of your life savings. Perhaps dawidkabani13 just happened to buy some tokens at the right time? A lot of people don't save. Otherwi…

I suppose that would be an example of "easy come, easy go" similar to if someone rode a stock way up and then it crashed. It does make sense to lock in profits at some point but, of course, you may not maximize your profits that way. Certainly there are stocks I've made modest gains of that would have been big wins had I held.

Re: I lost all my savings in a mistaken Ethereum transaction

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The most downvoted comment in the Github issue seems totally right.. why did this guy put his life savings in a crypto? Even without making any mistake this seems like a dumb move.

"You didn't learn. In what universe do you think a small mistake like that could crush your entire life? Not to mention all the hacks and scams threats. I am not sorry anymore for you, you seem irresponsible."

I agree with you, I hope OP doesn't have a wife and children. He's totally careless and men cannot afford to be careless.

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