Can't the UK respond by blocking FB ?
Not sure why you think they would? They're not breaking any regulations by doing this.
Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules
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Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules
#72Personally, I think the GDPR cookie notifications have severely degraded the user experience of the web. I also think it's become just another "Terms and Conditions" - something that people reflexively accept because they want to get on with using a product. Future regulations with teeth, but don't exist yet, are things like: - Data portability: I should be able to export my entire Facebook account in full in a stand…
I reject all interest reflexively. I think it's great. Not! It just shows me how much tracking there actually is... And since I delete my cookies every session, I have to do it every time. I still wonder what the 'legitimate interests' of ad companies are. I also wonder if rejecting the cookies actually works, it's not like I can check right?
I will say one major benefit of the cookie notifications is just raising the public awareness of tracking.
Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Regulations exist to protect consumers and other companies from accusative behaviors. I think this is possibly a bit naive. Regulations also exist to protect powerful people's businesses, to push personal agendas, and to further political aims even if those are not actually in the interests of any consumers. Also sometimes people think they're making a regulation to protect consumers, but actually it makes things w…
It's not naive, that's why we have laws. Without laws, the people/groups you mention would just use the law of the jungle - might makes right - to get what they want. At least with laws they have to somewhat accommodate this process to get what they want, frequently compromising along the way. I'm not saying that all laws are perfect, but let's not get overwhelming cynicism get the best of us.
Being skeptical of the motivations of those who write and lobby for regulation is not overly cynical - it's a recognition of reality.
The less skeptical we are, the more self-serving regulation we'll get.
Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules
#74How these rules apply for people with multiple citizenships and residence? That’s the case with a lot of people in Europe. How to find out to which jurisdiction my FB data is bound to?
Good question: there will continue to be a lot of EU nationals subject to the GDPR living in the UK. Including Northern Ireland!
Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Companies are often fluid, especially smaller ones, and can more easily adapt to a changing world.
This just isn’t consistent with the empirical evidence whatsoever. An overwhelming amount of economic analysis shows that the burden of regulation disproportionately falls on small business. That doesn’t necessarily mean that there aren’t other justifications for any given regulation. But ain’t no small business owner or entrepreneur in history ever said “Boy! All these regulations sure are making my life easy”
Yeah, we never see examples of small teams disrupting large markets with entrenched competitors. I'm afraid with taxi medallion regulations, we'll never see any competition in that space.
Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules
#76This is the balkanization of the internet. We've lived through a brief period of free exchange among peoples, but it's soon over. I predict only one viable future for all technology companies, big and small: Pick a single national jurisdiction, keep your employees and servers inside it.
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Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules
#77"Facebook’s UK users will remain subject to UK privacy law, which for now tracks the European Union’s General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)" - so, what changes for users?
Nothing changes now, parity is maintained between the EU and UK versions. However, this had to be done now because Facebook needs to allow time to make the transition and ask UK users if they agree to the terms again now they are separate from the EU.
They can't wait to do this because as soon as either the UK or EU changes their laws (may happen in a month, may not for years), the terms would no longer be valid for one set of users. Facebook would end up in a situation where its terms are invalid for millions of users potentially for months.
Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules
#78How these rules apply for people with multiple citizenships and residence? That’s the case with a lot of people in Europe. How to find out to which jurisdiction my FB data is bound to?
Citizenship matters not. Only residency. Just because I'm a Britsh person living in the US doesn't mean I'm not subject to the death penalty or am exempt from having to buy health insurance, for example.
The US tax authorities disagree.
Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not naive, that's why we have laws. Without laws, the people/groups you mention would just use the law of the jungle - might makes right - to get what they want. At least with laws they have to somewhat accommodate this process to get what they want, frequently compromising along the way. I'm not saying that all laws are perfect, but let's not get overwhelming cynicism get the best of us.
Being skeptical of the motivations of those who write and lobby for regulation is not overly cynical - it's a recognition of reality. The less skeptical we are, the more self-serving regulation we'll get.
I am very skeptical that Facebook has ever acted in their users best interest. The EU privacy laws and the GDPR are a clearly beneficial law to citizens, protecting them against hostile companies.
Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules
#80> U.S. courts have held that constitutional protections against unreasonable searches do not apply to non-citizens overseas.
In effect it's harder and harder to find cases where the 4th amendment protections apply to US citizens, either.