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Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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If people can't follow simple rules, then the state must force them to, under threat of fines, arrest, and prison time.

Can't say I agree, but it's cool to see Kissinger commenting on HN. Welcome!

Not the real Kissinger unfortunately

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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I lost all faith in humanity in 2020. I still can't believe people can be that stupid. We won't be able to safe ecology when people can't follow simple rules.

If people can't follow simple rules, then the state must force them to, under threat of fines, arrest, and prison time.

I doubt the whole planet can cooperate on that.

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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I lost all faith in humanity in 2020. I still can't believe people can be that stupid. We won't be able to safe ecology when people can't follow simple rules.

I'm not sure what people expected to happen when we started producing billions of disposable masks and distributing them to everyone instead of just medical staff that have to follow disposal procedures. This shit happens with literally all of our single-use disposable garbage. Any system that requires billions of individual people to follow rules that inconvenience them without any sort of enforcement or consequence…

> "and charged for them"

You cannot charge the poorest people, those that pose the highest likely risk of contracting the illness, for masks that ultimately protect all of us.

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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Masks work. If everyone is wearing a mask, there are at least two masks between you and an infected person. Masks don't provide 100% protection, but nothing does. However, masks are important, because they enable people to safely perform essential activities like grocery shopping, and most jobs. We don't need to stop _every single transmission_, all that we need to do is make sure that each infected person doesn't in…

The data tells a different story. https://rationalground.com/post-thanksgiving-mask-charts-sti...

The data at this link has less than nothing to say about mask effectiveness.

One graph says, for example, that mask mandate areas in the US have slightly higher infection rates than non-mask mandate areas. But this is extremely expected - high infection rate is what prompts areas to mandate mask usage.

If I feel at risk (maybe because I observe people getting ill and dying), I comply. If I don't feel at risk, I don't care about complying.

Also, why no Asian countries on the international charts? That would be inconvenient for the point, hm?

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I lost all faith in humanity in 2020. I still can't believe people can be that stupid. We won't be able to safe ecology when people can't follow simple rules.

If people can't follow simple rules, then the state must force them to, under threat of fines, arrest, and prison time.

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Apparently surgical masks are better than the cloth masks. https://healthnewshub.org/cloth-mask-vs-surgical-mask-vs-n95...

ngl i wash and reuse surgical masks my thinking being they’re probably safer than some cloth mask some brand decided to start selling

If the masks come with a hydrophobic coating, then washing them significantly reduces their ability to effectively filter air.

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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The reason medical professionals wear disposable masks in clinics is because reusable masks don't work. Actual correct mask usage means changing masks numerous times a day.

You are spreading false information. Reusable masks do "work." Masks lose effectiveness over time and should be changed regularly, but it is not true that "correct" usage involves changing them "numerous times a day." There are two major factors that, as I understand it, drive the use of disposable masks in clinical settings. First is that healthcare workers see many sick people a day and they are worried about surfa…

No matter which of those two mask types are employed, a relevant May 2020 meta-study on pandemic influenza published by the CDC found that face masks had no effect, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control.

"In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks".

"Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza."

"Proper use of face masks is essential because improper use might increase the risk for transmission."

Has the CDC analysis been refuted?

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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I don't know about the estimates, but as an avid hiker/runner, everywhere I go.. on any trail, I'll see more then a few masks lying on the ground.

In every parking lot, there are masks lying about.

People are definitely losing/tossing masks, and not all of them are going to get swept up by cleaning functions in commercial areas.

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#79

This is my favorite kind of headline. The kind that screams, "No matter what you do, it's wrong!"

“Burying COVID victims accounted for an increase in home prices due to less land!”

“Cremating COVID victims increased global temperatures by 0.2C”

Re: Estimated 1.56B face masks will have entered oceans in 2020

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I think about this a lot, our footprint as seen by future anthropologists.

I've thought about it a little. If everything is digital and in deprecated formats then there could be a sort of "dark ages"... even without some kind of end of world scenario to wipe out the evidence. We could simply just forget how to access it. Eg: in yr 3030 will we still know how to open pdfs ,flash files, or say PS4 games?

There’s already “digital dark ages” and it’s a reason archive.org and retro tech collection is so important.

From the 70s-90s most consumer tech was thrown in land fill when people were finished with it. There wasn’t yet much of a “collector” mentality because it wasn’t old enough to be cool, and there was such a mad rush to always have the newest developments in that tech-honeymoon period that people threw the old stuff out.

Then for the software side, storage was expensive and complicated. People didn’t keep copies of every single old thing like lots of people do now, websites were purged of old content to fit new content, versioning in development didn’t really exist (on a large scale).

I’m a retro tech/software collector and there’s plenty of stuff from my childhood that I can’t find a single trace of anymore.

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