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San Mateo County Health Officer Statement on Bay Area Stay-at-Home Orders

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Post by tims33 »

hnrodey wrote: post #46
tims33 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is a clear implications we still don't have enough testing even though CA as a whole is doing relatively well on testing. It seems like once your positive % goes above 5-10% it really means you're missing many cases.

Colorado is telling us that 2.5% of the state population is actively contagious. I don’t know the state number of positive cases off the top of my head but many counties I look at around right around 1% or less of positive cases / county population. How can Colorado estimate at roughly 2.5x and San Mateo county is 4-7x? I’m shocked that the variance can be so great between counties.

Likely reflective of how little we really know. It’s also not clear from Morrow’s note where his estimate comes from.

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Post by redis_mlc »

plasma wrote: post #16

It takes leadership of government, focus, sacrifice, and understanding of the citizens to fight this virus. I'm based in Australia, Victoria (population of 6m+, exceeding the 800k mentioned in the Bay Area [EDIT: San Mateo county]) and we have now had over 30 days of zero cases of coronavirus, after having a peak of 680+ per day [1]. We went into a tough lockdown, stamped out the virus, and are slowly easing restrict…

> It takes leadership of government, focus, sacrifice, and understanding of the citizens to fight this virus.

Actually, what it takes is not to have 100,000 airline passengers from China per week into the US before Trump's travel restrictions took effect.

And stop meddling in US affairs if you're not American - you don't know what you're talking about.

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Post by 2trill2spill »

plasma wrote: post #16

It takes leadership of government, focus, sacrifice, and understanding of the citizens to fight this virus. I'm based in Australia, Victoria (population of 6m+, exceeding the 800k mentioned in the Bay Area [EDIT: San Mateo county]) and we have now had over 30 days of zero cases of coronavirus, after having a peak of 680+ per day [1]. We went into a tough lockdown, stamped out the virus, and are slowly easing restrict…

Did any non island democracy do well? Also just to note I'm including South Korea as an "island" as its effectively one being a peninsula and its only land border being with North Korea.

Edit: Also, one of the main reasons vaccines were able to get through trials so quickly is precisely because countries like the United States, Brazil, the UK, etc did so poorly handling the pandemic. Doing phase 3 drug trials in a country that successfully dealt with SARS-COV-2 such as Australia would take significantly longer.

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Post by mehrdadn »

tayo42 wrote: post #21

Seems like he's being contrarian at times. > what we have before us is a symbolic gesture, it appears to be style over substance I think the problem with being idealistic is people will see this leader,(especially in liberal mecca that is the sf bay area or how ever those people talk now) will latch on to this as a reason to do keep acting irresponsibly and justify their behavior. > Less overall mobility, means less…

> The adverse effects for some of our kids will likely last for generations.

I came to comment the same thing about this quote. I don't understand how he comes to this conclusion either. Anyone know?

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Post by an_opabinia »

ivankirigin wrote: post #8
cromwellian wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

East Palo Alto and San Jose could be either from pop-density, or from relative # of poor people.

And age, race, types of jobs, family structure, trust in authority, education, and probably more. San Carlos is white, rich, and old. East Palo Alto it not.

Of course. The real scandal is how bean counting has failed millions of Californians. Are that many people really eking out an existence so marginal, it has no impact on prices for homes, equities, goods and services? Or is there something wrong with what we’re measuring?

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Post by jeffbee »

What an incoherent mess. The county should fire this dope. Government health officials need to be out there with a unified message that hits the main points:

1) Stay away from other people 2) Wear a mask if forced to go out 3) Go back home as soon as possible

This 15-point stream of words will only serve to confuse. The reason our kids are suffering from this year-long school outage is because our leadership is so confused. With unified, clear leadership we would have beat this thing in 6 weeks, tops. It is exactly this framing as a difficult moral wrestling match faced independently by millions of equals that has brought America to this depth of failure.

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Post by tims33 »

plasma wrote: post #16

It takes leadership of government, focus, sacrifice, and understanding of the citizens to fight this virus. I'm based in Australia, Victoria (population of 6m+, exceeding the 800k mentioned in the Bay Area [EDIT: San Mateo county]) and we have now had over 30 days of zero cases of coronavirus, after having a peak of 680+ per day [1]. We went into a tough lockdown, stamped out the virus, and are slowly easing restrict…

What Victoria has done is highly commendable. The issue in the US is that there is no national commitment to reduce transmission to your levels. In turn, a single county, region, or state will be unable to reach the result you’ve achieved.

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Post by heshiebee »

ghayes wrote: post #57
heshiebee wrote: post #53

Just alone that the Movie industry in Los Angeles is allowed to continue their operations while small businesses are shut shows exactly what COVID has become. People can make their own decisions whether to go out and how to stay safe.

You would agree that people "making their own decisions" do affect others, though, correct?

I do believe that most people are responsible enough to take the recommended precautions and encourage their friends and family to do the same and not endanger others. The only outcome I see here is like one of prohibition. Our country was built on trust, integrity and distribution of power, much of this is the opposite in the name of public health when the numbers show otherwise. Closing outdoor dining but letting the movie industry dine outdoors. Closing salons but our own speaker of the house doesn’t follow. Prohibition, no less.

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Post by standardUser »

"I think people should stay at home, avoid all non-essential activities, wear masks, and not gather with anyone outside their households. I’ve been saying this for about 10 months now. If you didn’t listen to my (and many others) entreaties before, I don’t think you’ll likely change your behavior based on a new order."

Even for the many, many months in many, many parts of the country where case growth was stable and eminently manageable? Wouldn't we want to avoid the hardship caused by extreme restrictions when possible? The better approach is to match the level of restrictions with the circumstances within the region, and adjust as needed. Just because most states/localities have failed to adjust aggressively enough (or have abdicated responsibility altogether) does not mean they should have simply set a dumb and blind policy of maximum restrictiveness and then sat on their hands, assuming no better way was possible.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

sidibe wrote: post #61

I understand the sentiment, but I think it's pretty clear in retrospect hard lockdowns were the correct way to address this. This half-assed "wear a mask and social distance if you want" stance just made the economy sputter for a whole a year. I've seen this in France twice, where they've oscillated between doing nothing and doing a lot, a couple brief lockdowns can reverse things quickly even after things have gotte…

In Asia hard lockdowns aren’t seen as a silver bullet, and some countries like Korea never really had one. Centralized quarantine and mandatory symptom checks are believed to be comparably important.
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