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US ends era of emotional support animals on planes

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Re: US ends era of emotional support animals on planes

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pjmorris wrote: post #25

FTA, 'Trade group Airlines for America'... how many trade groups are there? What does it take to form one? What kind of influence do they carry?

> how many trade groups are there?

Lots (multiple for most big industries)

> What does it take to form one?

"Hello, competitors in my industry. We think we can build a larger moat by lobbying for regulation that will make it harder for other competitors. Would any of you like to join us in having less competition?"

> What kind of influence do they carry?

C.F. Cartels

Re: US ends era of emotional support animals on planes

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Ansil849 wrote: post #44

I'm finding a lot of the comments in this thread to be hurtful. Yes, many were abusing the system to register pets as service animals. No, that is not a reason to forbid the practice which was genuinely helpful to people like myself who have a phobia of flying coupled with anxiety and having a service animal genuinely helps get through a flight without the need for medication. The problem is the desire to not devote…

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Re: US ends era of emotional support animals on planes

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Post by Miner49er »

neaanopri wrote: post #67
Ansil849 wrote: post #44

I'm finding a lot of the comments in this thread to be hurtful. Yes, many were abusing the system to register pets as service animals. No, that is not a reason to forbid the practice which was genuinely helpful to people like myself who have a phobia of flying coupled with anxiety and having a service animal genuinely helps get through a flight without the need for medication. The problem is the desire to not devote…

I completely agree with you, and I'm thinking of blind people and some people with epilepsy who have animals which can detect and manage their seizures.

Those are still allowed.

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Post by renewiltord »

I kind of know why, but I think I'd like to have some sort of "super-normative" service for most things. No accommodations, no changes, no talk. You board your plane, stand on a conveyor and it takes you to your slot, you bring your own urine and poo bag if you want, the airline charges you for damage to the slot. No dogs, no cats, no nothing. No "can I get a this".

For the DMV, you have a checklist and you walk up with everything on the checklist and the robot sends you off if you meet the checklist.

For stores, you have full facial-recognition and single-entry gateways. Violation is a full ban from the store. Digital signed payment only, no cash.

I mean, I get why it is, but for someone normative, not having to deal with people who (often for no fault of their own) have harder lives would be just so much better.

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hpoe wrote: post #5

So something I only recently found out myself is that there is actual no real requirements in order to register an animal as an "emotional support animal", I found that out after my sister registered her dog as an emotional support animal to get around her apartments "no pets allowed" rule. Another interesting thing is that I have a friend who builds apartments in a college town for students. The apartments for years…

There is none, to little, protections in the ADA for support animals. I believe the only provisions are service dogs and horses. But apartment managers, many restaurants, and general businesses are just ignorant enough of the law to not really push it. Some restaurants are starting to push back due to hygiene.

Now the new thing is to get out of paying exorbitantly high ($500) pet fees by claiming the pet as a support animal. Competent building managers will see this coming and note that only service dogs are exempt.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

neaanopri wrote: post #67
Ansil849 wrote: post #44

I'm finding a lot of the comments in this thread to be hurtful. Yes, many were abusing the system to register pets as service animals. No, that is not a reason to forbid the practice which was genuinely helpful to people like myself who have a phobia of flying coupled with anxiety and having a service animal genuinely helps get through a flight without the need for medication. The problem is the desire to not devote…

I completely agree with you, and I'm thinking of blind people and some people with epilepsy who have animals which can detect and manage their seizures.

Service dogs for blind people and people with epilepsy are covered by the ADA.

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Post by nefitty »

llbeansandrice wrote: post #45
hpoe wrote: post #5

So something I only recently found out myself is that there is actual no real requirements in order to register an animal as an "emotional support animal", I found that out after my sister registered her dog as an emotional support animal to get around her apartments "no pets allowed" rule. Another interesting thing is that I have a friend who builds apartments in a college town for students. The apartments for years…

A bit of conflation in some of the comments but the "issue" is a bit of a loophole in the ADA. The ADA basically tries to minimize the burden of having a disability. So there are no licensing fees or registration or anything related to having a service animal by the government and as such businesses, landlords, etc. can't ask for something like a license or registration of a service animal as verification. The key di…

Emotional support animals aren’t “ridiculous”. They actually have some positive impact on people’s mental health, eg those with PTSD. I do take issue with abuse of the regulations. Some beneficial medications can be used recreationally, and governments give abundant clarity on legal and illegal uses. It would be harmful for people to start calling those medicines “ridiculous” because some people use them to get high or improve their performance.

I think a solution is for the government to place restrictions on emotional support animal use, eg the same way prescriptions are handled.

https://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/culture/emot...

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Post by vector_spaces »

Reading the comments on this thread is genuinely depressing. It's amazing how callous people can be to simply say "good" and move on, nevermind that people actually benefited massively from this and that most of those people used it in good faith, and likely did not attempt to bring ostriches and ponies aboard.

Not to mention the comments that say something to the effect of "well even if it did help a few people, it drove up prices for everyone". The implication being that disabled people only deserve accommodations (and therefore the right to participate in society) when they are convenient for everyone/companies.

It's very telling that these are the responses of the community when it comes to disabled people rather than the responses we see on other threads about how some framework or Salas is dropping support for some beloved feature, i.e. responses such as "why can't we try X? Won't Y work?"

I'm physically ill reading the comments here.

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yardie wrote: post #76
hpoe wrote: post #5

So something I only recently found out myself is that there is actual no real requirements in order to register an animal as an "emotional support animal", I found that out after my sister registered her dog as an emotional support animal to get around her apartments "no pets allowed" rule. Another interesting thing is that I have a friend who builds apartments in a college town for students. The apartments for years…

There is none, to little, protections in the ADA for support animals. I believe the only provisions are service dogs and horses. But apartment managers, many restaurants, and general businesses are just ignorant enough of the law to not really push it. Some restaurants are starting to push back due to hygiene. Now the new thing is to get out of paying exorbitantly high ($500) pet fees by claiming the pet as a support…

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