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What does "classical" mean in this context? My benchmark for the term "classical" is traditional European classical music, and so I'm having a hard time understanding where this fits in the Indian musical spectrum, either stylistically or temporally.
I think the term "court music" is more clear
Few band suggestions for people with rock, metal background who want to listen to carnatic music . Agam https://youtu.be/AiPnyxPyVVw Mother Jane https://youtu.be/3y2siWVi-GQ Prasanna guitar https://youtu.be/QA5UWHFg-SE
Meshuggah uses a similar beat structure to Indian classical music, which I found interesting. Here's a sort of example https://youtu.be/ZAVZtCZV9aI
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Classical in the sense that this is a tradition of sufficient vintage, backed by a theory of music. There are at least 2 distinct systems of Indian music which are called classical. 1. Carnatic - the south Indian classical music. Traditionally Purandara Dasa is supposed to be the originator, from around the 13th century. This came up in the Vijayanagar empire. But there are older composers like Vyasa Raya whose compo…
There is also a semi-classical genre evolved from musical dramas. Sadly it is not mainstream anymore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangeet_Natak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdlLqzs9LKk There is an interesting form of performance called Jugalbandi where different artists perform duet (mostly without rehearsal). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugalbandi Another rare video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk60ObnbI…
And because this is Hacker News, there has to be a LISP in the mix.
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It has a 'key' it's just not standard. It doesn't matter though. What it does is make use of specific scales, or one scale, in particular, the minor scale or maybe one of it's variants. The problem is actually ... they stay in that one scale, forever. This is a limitation of this music. This music is: take a scale, and have someone play a very long, intuitive solo overtop in that one key, effectively one chord. The s…
Could you elaborate what you mean by "one scale, in particular, the minor scale"? What you see as a very long solo overtop in one key - in the raga system - has some characteristic phrases or patterns, which are interpretatively exposed extempore. That lends the rendition a great degree of freedom. Further, multiple ragas can share one 'key' too. I would like to understand what you find limiting about that.
It's 10 minutes long. One chord. One tempo.
There's the accordion style instrument playing 3 note drone (reminiscent of pipes), minor chord.
There's some keys and vocals moving up and down the minor scale, somewhat randomly.
That's it, for 10 minutes.
This is pretty exemplary of this kind of music, and it's obviously limiting.
By every musical measure, there's not much going on.
I don't doubt it's authenticity, or that it has influenced other forms of music - but it's nothing remotely comparable to Jazz for example.
It's a hyper specific genre.
Edit: the link from the above comment (Ramakrishnan Murthy) ... is quite good actually, the creative quality is much higher than the music the article link, but the conclusions are mostly the same. It reminds me quite a lot of 'Pipes and Drums' where you have hyper specific and constrained instrumental qualities of a couple flavours (pipes are in one key, snare drum is ostensibly a very basic instrument) but they take it to to limit within those constraints.
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There is also a semi-classical genre evolved from musical dramas. Sadly it is not mainstream anymore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangeet_Natak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdlLqzs9LKk There is an interesting form of performance called Jugalbandi where different artists perform duet (mostly without rehearsal). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugalbandi Another rare video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk60ObnbI…
In a very old interview, Eduard Artemyev, one of the pioneers of electronic music, says how Jugalbandi inspired his soundtrack of the sci-fi movie Stalker (1). I think it is the Stalker meditation theme, which distinctly has a Persian oud/tar like effect (2). (1) https://youtu.be/xjVT7MlE5rY?t=629s (2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP1QXKbhqr4
Edit: The use of this mugam by Artemiev is mentioned in the wikipedia page https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%8F%D1%82%D1%8B...
Here is my basic understanding of Indian music: The northern and southern parts have their own styles but with overlaps. What's amazing is that Indian classical music has no key. There is no absolute sense of middle C or whatever. It is relative to the tuning of the drone. I don't have a strong background in music, but this seems to get rid of the complexity of the notation system in the west with a much more fluid a…
That's pretty much the same as hitchhikers tuning their guitars by ear with no perfect pitch skill. Anything within a couple of steps is good enough.
What fascinates me is that they are ok with staying in the same chord for the entire repertoire, that some perceptions (i.e. minor scales/chords are "sad" while major ones are "happy") seem to be universal.
What does "classical" mean in this context? My benchmark for the term "classical" is traditional European classical music, and so I'm having a hard time understanding where this fits in the Indian musical spectrum, either stylistically or temporally.
Classical in the sense that this is a tradition of sufficient vintage, backed by a theory of music. There are at least 2 distinct systems of Indian music which are called classical. 1. Carnatic - the south Indian classical music. Traditionally Purandara Dasa is supposed to be the originator, from around the 13th century. This came up in the Vijayanagar empire. But there are older composers like Vyasa Raya whose compo…
P.S: Amir Khusrao's role in development of Qawwali, Tarana and other forms of Islamic Sufi music making sounds plausible. Anything beyond that is venturing into speculation.