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The problem isn't altitude, it's speed. Launching from the air has all the same problems of air launched rockets from planes. Except now they're trying to sling a massive rocket up to 200k feet along with all the sloshy liquids inside without anything breaking. It's complete and utter madness. The founders/investors are guaranteed to lose all their investments.
Well somebody is sure to lose their money, but if enough bigger fools can be lured aboard it needn't be the current crew. In other words, the Nikola truck but in space.
SpinLaunch is building a centrifuge to launch satellites into orbit
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This isn't very appealing to defense either, due to the slow spin up.
This isn't my area of expertise, but judging from some of the extreme physics they're dealing with I'm assuming they're solving problems with potentially lucrative military applications.
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#73> At this point the spacecraft will be subjected to a peak force 10,000 times greater than Earth's gravity, something opponents believe will seriously affect its structural integrity and the safety of its complex electronics. These kind of forces are pretty insane compared to even the high G boost you get on a normal rocket launch. I wonder if that is going to put a crimp on their potential client list.
The forces are going even higher than that. 10,000g is what you get from launching out of high explosive powered military cannon. The US military has managed to put guided rounds in such cannons, but they certainly aren't getting you to space with such a cannon. You need much higher than 10,000g to get up to that kind of speed.
Totally agree that the SpinLaunch system does not seem sufficient to get a payload to space though, let alone if it also needs to bring propellant for circularizing their orbits.
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Raw metal powder for 3D printing laser sintering. Or plastic pellets. Water. Fuel. Clothes. Maybe this is what can kick start the 3D printing in space revolution. Maybe it can also launch radioactive waste into space? One bucket at a time. Then a space towtruck can be launched to hurl it into the sun. But it’ll likely just part a naive investor from their money.
Not sure how serious you are with the radioactive waste thing but I'll do the HN thing and bite (nerdsnipe!), because that's not going to work. You can't launch things into the sun, you need to decelerate objects. The earth travels at 30 km / s (70K MPH) around the sun, so you need to decelerate about that much the other way. And orbiting radioactive waste is just asking for trouble. The total amount of radioactive w…
Not if you aim it directly at the sun.
> The total amount of radioactive waste on the earth is about the size of a swimming pool
The HN nuclear apologists are so tiresome.
No, every nuclear plant has more than that.
Fukushima has acres, so they're dumping it in the ocean.
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The forces are going even higher than that. 10,000g is what you get from launching out of high explosive powered military cannon. The US military has managed to put guided rounds in such cannons, but they certainly aren't getting you to space with such a cannon. You need much higher than 10,000g to get up to that kind of speed.
Technically it's more the time that the acceleration is applied for, but I see what you mean. I used to work as a weapons engineer for the Dutch navy and they were quite involved at getting the Vulcano ( https://www.leonardocompany.com/en/products/vulcano-155mm ) rounds working at the time. IIRC the larger caliber rounds were subjected to about 40.000g at peak acceleration though you could vary the amount of powder s…
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How is Starship going? Are they still trying to “sweat” the fuel out of the skin, to give it an active cooling layer?
Starship development continues apace. They’re planning to launch the latest starship vehicle to 50km altitude next week and then perform their difficult landing maneuver 15km from the launch site. I believe the sweating skin idea has been dropped. See this one hour video for a detailed breakdown of the current state of the design: https://youtu.be/-8p2JDTd13k
When I first heard of it, I was thinking, this must be a bad April Fool’s joke, or an incredibly great idea. Turns out, it was the former.
Re: SpinLaunch is building a centrifuge to launch satellites into orbit
#78The Wired article that this SyFy blurb is based on has more details (and more criticism) - https://www.wired.com/story/inside-spinlaunch-the-space-indu... > One former employee, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to their nondisparagement and nondisclosure contracts, acknowledged the gulf between theory and reality. They described SpinLaunch’s prototype centrifuge as a relatively unsophisticated machine that “an…
Maybe they figured out some advanced materials science we don't know about, but that seems unlikely from this article.
> Over the next few years, the team ran hundreds of high-speed tests. Most of them were to study and improve the system, but some were to mollify skeptical investors and potential customers who didn’t believe a payload could withstand the extreme forces. The team sent solar cells, radio systems, telescope lenses, batteries, GPS modules, and control computers whirling at high speeds; they all survived with little to no damage. In one test, Yaney attached an iPhone to the tether and spun it up until it experienced forces 10,000 times stronger than gravity. Afterward, he used the phone to FaceTime a colleague. Each test was a step, however small, toward space.
Something tells me that an iPhone definitely cannot withstand forces of 10,000g.
Like someone below said, this either has mil implications or a way to separate investors from their money.
Juan Alonso, an aerospace engineer at Stanford who did due diligence for one of SpinLaunch’s investors, understood my reservations. “It's an exotic technology, and the first time you hear about it you think there's no way that could possibly work,” he says. But after checking out the math himself, Alonso gave the investment firm the green light.
So a Stanford guy is putting reputation on stake. Interesting.
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Well somebody is sure to lose their money, but if enough bigger fools can be lured aboard it needn't be the current crew. In other words, the Nikola truck but in space.
The Nikola comparison is apt here, though I think this is even worse than Nikola. There's known examples of fuel cell powered large vehicles.
Re: SpinLaunch is building a centrifuge to launch satellites into orbit
#80The Wired article that this SyFy blurb is based on has more details (and more criticism) - https://www.wired.com/story/inside-spinlaunch-the-space-indu... > One former employee, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to their nondisparagement and nondisclosure contracts, acknowledged the gulf between theory and reality. They described SpinLaunch’s prototype centrifuge as a relatively unsophisticated machine that “an…
> We’ve been putting together a team of engineers who, for the most part, are too young to say SpinLaunch couldn't work.