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Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by lifty »

foxcpp wrote: post #61
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #4

I've had a lot of discussions with technical-minded peers about how the only real options for email on your own domain are fastmail or gsuite, which work out to about the same amount of money for a family of 5+, which is a surprisingly large amount (imo worth it). This looks like something worth combining with alps[0] for easy self-hosted email. I might give it a go and ditch gsuite! [0] https://git.sr.ht/~migadu/alp…

alps was created by the same person who started maddy, by the way. It is not me. Just wanted to give a little tribute to the amazing person who put a lot of work into email libraries for Go: https://github.com/emersion/

Fantastic job to both of you! Really appreciate the high quality work you folks have been doing on maddy and the email libraries. Are you guys running migadu as well? I might just switch if you are related.

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by t0astbread »

aarchi wrote: post #14
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not the same thing. I agree with the link, in that it is most definitely a hack. This only works because your domain registrar is handling email for you to begin with, which is undesirable for many reasons. Also, while aliases in gmail work generally, I find they leak the main gmail account address, which makes them significantly less desirable.

Why do you say that it's undesirable for your registrar to handle mail? I've considered using Gandi's mail with my domains.

It depends on your threat model how undesirable it is but essentially you're adding a permanent MITM to your email.

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by nolok »

Does anyone know of a mail server (imap) where the developper can be in control of the mail source? I wanted to expose one of our tool to mail clients, something that handles all the imap talk and gives you onread/onmark/ondelete/... events, but I found very little libraries or servers for that kind of usage

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by Youden »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #4

I've had a lot of discussions with technical-minded peers about how the only real options for email on your own domain are fastmail or gsuite, which work out to about the same amount of money for a family of 5+, which is a surprisingly large amount (imo worth it). This looks like something worth combining with alps[0] for easy self-hosted email. I might give it a go and ditch gsuite! [0] https://git.sr.ht/~migadu/alp…

In what regards are Fastmail and Gsuite the only "real" options for email on your own domain?

There are tons of other options. Mailbox.org, Migadu, Protonmail, Tutanota and Mailfence for example.

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by cassianoleal »

Youden wrote: post #74
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #4

I've had a lot of discussions with technical-minded peers about how the only real options for email on your own domain are fastmail or gsuite, which work out to about the same amount of money for a family of 5+, which is a surprisingly large amount (imo worth it). This looks like something worth combining with alps[0] for easy self-hosted email. I might give it a go and ditch gsuite! [0] https://git.sr.ht/~migadu/alp…

In what regards are Fastmail and Gsuite the only "real" options for email on your own domain? There are tons of other options. Mailbox.org, Migadu, Protonmail, Tutanota and Mailfence for example.

I've been using Posteo.de for a couple years now.

Great service, E2E for everything, including contacts and calendar, and it's quite cheap (I think I pay €12/year).

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by Kwpolska »

RcrdBrt wrote: post #51
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #4

I've had a lot of discussions with technical-minded peers about how the only real options for email on your own domain are fastmail or gsuite, which work out to about the same amount of money for a family of 5+, which is a surprisingly large amount (imo worth it). This looks like something worth combining with alps[0] for easy self-hosted email. I might give it a go and ditch gsuite! [0] https://git.sr.ht/~migadu/alp…

I've been using a docker mail server[0] pre-configured for years without issues. I switched from DigitalOcean to Vultr and finally landed on Hetzner. Always had no issues delivering or receiving messages from/to the big guys. I'm also addicted to watchtower[1] to keep it automatically updated without hassle. [0] https://github.com/tomav/docker-mailserver [1] https://github.com/containrrr/watchtower

I moved from DigitalOcean to Hetzner, and Gmail started marking all my emails as spam, most likely due to bad IP reputation. I moved to Zoho Mail [0] (at €10.80/user/month), which doesn’t have problems like these, and requires less work to manage.

[0]: https://www.zoho.com/mail/

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by Kwpolska »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #4

I've had a lot of discussions with technical-minded peers about how the only real options for email on your own domain are fastmail or gsuite, which work out to about the same amount of money for a family of 5+, which is a surprisingly large amount (imo worth it). This looks like something worth combining with alps[0] for easy self-hosted email. I might give it a go and ditch gsuite! [0] https://git.sr.ht/~migadu/alp…

There’s also Zoho Mail: https://www.zoho.com/mail/ — starting at €10.80/user/year.

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by codegladiator »

jeffbee wrote: post #39
codegladiator wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel there is a lot of fear mongering around deliverability of emails all over the Internet which is helping the big companies to centralise a thing like email. I have had my own email server sending emails which were not marked as spam. also I have had cases where email from Gmail addresses/ips would be actually spam. I urge everyone to start using their own mail servers so the ecosystem around self hosting emails…

If it wasn't an effective feature for classifying spam, then people wouldn't use it. But, in reality, it's incredibly effective because the only people who want to use residential IPs and rent-a-server IPs for running mailers are criminals and a much smaller population of dorks.

I agree lists are definitely effective but its a cat and mouse game sort of with a lot of overhead. We can still use ip lists for accepting/rejecting mail but that should be the lowest priority check with very less weight.

Lists are like the DRM kind of tech, where the genuine user has the real headaches (pay a service to filter my mail, cant self host etc) while the spams are still flowing through.

Re: Maddy: Composable all-in-one mail server in Go

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Post by deathtrader666 »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #4

I've had a lot of discussions with technical-minded peers about how the only real options for email on your own domain are fastmail or gsuite, which work out to about the same amount of money for a family of 5+, which is a surprisingly large amount (imo worth it). This looks like something worth combining with alps[0] for easy self-hosted email. I might give it a go and ditch gsuite! [0] https://git.sr.ht/~migadu/alp…

Doesn't Outlook support custom domains?
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