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Re: 1MB Club

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Post by xmprt » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 7:31 PM UTC

geodel wrote: post #66

bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

If general public even knew who to complain they would have surely yelled loudly. For now I hear non-tech people say 'Oh, our internet is slow even though we pay lot of money' Meanwhile valley bros keep helpfully reminding me to upgrade my computer to a reasonable 2020sh.

Alternatively, they say things like "I hate how slow ads are." It's not the ads that are slow. It's all the tracking and libraries built on top of it.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by bak3y » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 7:32 PM UTC

syassami wrote: post #53

My personal fav: 148kb, $530B company. https://www.berkshirehathaway.com

Can it be assumed that this same website has been in place since 1978? Obviously not exactly like it is now, but probably not far off.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by Uehreka » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 7:32 PM UTC

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #60

1MB. When I started writing Web sites (late '90s), we'd get spanked for 50K pages. I'm not sure it's possible, anymore, with a lot of the CSS and JS libraries; let alone the content. But back then, we didn't have content delivery networks. CDNs make a huge difference.

We also had super grainy images, no fonts (besides the default set) and no videos. We can complain about bloat, but I don’t think comparisons to the 90’s are totally appropriate, except as a dunk.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by susam » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 7:34 PM UTC

ffpip wrote: post #65

susam wrote: post #50

How accurate is this list? I see it mentions that visiting https://danluu.com/ downloads only 9.1 kB but when I actually visit this website with Google Chrome, in the Developer Tools' Network tab, I see that a total of 21.7 kB is transferred. Name Status Type Size ------------ ------ -------- -------- danluu.com 200 document 2.5 kB analytics.js 200 script 18.9 kB collect 200 xhr 67 B favicon.ico 404 text/html 266 B S…

Are you not using an ad blocker? danluu.com has google-analytics, which is a very large script. Please use uBlock Origin.

I do use uBlock Origin in general. However, I disabled it while verifying if the download size claimed in this post is accurate.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by subprotocol » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 7:35 PM UTC

billfruit wrote: post #12

Nice to know of CNN lite, had never heard of it before.

Wow yeah, this made my day! It's nice not waiting 10 seconds for a video I don't want to watch to auto start playing (just so I can stop it).

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by vagrantJin » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 7:36 PM UTC

imheretolearn wrote: post #32

I was once asked to debug an extremely slowly loading page. In the first 5 minutes it was evident that the client was doing things it wasn't supposed to do. It was downloading 300MB worth of resources to show the webpage. Incorrect implementations and inefficient use of libraries is the reason why we're seeing a bloated websites all over the web

> It was downloading 300MB worth of resources to show the webpage. Incorrect implementations and inefficient use of libraries is the reason why we're seeing a bloated websites all over the web

In situations like that, it's right and proper to ask who built the site. Then shake your head with absolute contempt.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by criddell » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 7:36 PM UTC

syassami wrote: post #53

My personal fav: 148kb, $530B company. https://www.berkshirehathaway.com

I assume you went through the proper channels to get written permission to make that link.

From the legal disclaimer at the bottom:

> linking to this website without written permission is prohibited

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by stickfigure » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 7:38 PM UTC

thesuitonym wrote: post #61

stickfigure wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear my users constantly yelling for more features. Not one has complained about the page load (5mb uncompressed, plus a delay for auth to initialize). I'll keep listening to my users.

Because anyone who complains is given this treatment. We don't complain to everybody we just bounce.

If you're offering a service that is so uncompelling or so undifferentiated that the page load speed is a driving factor, than you should certainly focus on page load speed.

On the other hand, Gmail regularly takes 10s+ to load and yet most users are glued to it.

If you're a SaaS business, your marketing page is probably not your app. The people using your app care about usability, and page load speed is rarely the driving factor. Especially with SPAs.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by wcerfgba » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 7:39 PM UTC

bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

What about the problem of CO2 / MB ?

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by jyriand » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 7:40 PM UTC

syassami wrote: post #53

My personal fav: 148kb, $530B company. https://www.berkshirehathaway.com

Just for your information, from their legal page: "...linking to this website without written permission is prohibited." Not sure what is meant by this, but I found it funny.