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M1 Macs Review

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Here's looking at getting one. But I wonder what's the currently compatibility status of the dev stack: node, git, go, java, nginx, databases (pg, mongo, maria...), editors (macvim, vscode...), iTerm, et al. And the brew family of installs, which was covered as part of yesterday's thread [1]. Macos ships with some interpreters pre-installed as part of BigSur, including Ruby, Python and Perl. And most source distribut…

I think it's a little early to get an M1 based machine for development, unless you do iOS or macOS applications. My seven year old Macbook Pro could stand to be replaced, but it's getting Big Sur, and it's fast enough. I'll just wait another year and see how the ecosystem on the M-series CPUs look at that point.

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Copy-pasted the comment I left at another forum: The the M1 is Zen3 5600X performance in an ultra-portable form factor. Whether that's revolutionary or not particularly noteworthy depends on the individual use case. If you're don't care that much about power/heat/fan-noise, it's neat but not (yet) world shattering. Bit if you live your life on a small laptop, it may well be. According to rumors, we'll see Apple's 8 F…

> Linux native is not in the cards but it won't matter, it will work fine virtualized with hardly any performance penalty. If for some reason you insist on native linux, it's time to recognize that Apple hardware is not for you. How would one run a graphical Linux distro virtualized and by which software?

Parallels and VMWare Fusion would run it. Virtualbox as well.

We can already do this on Intel Macs, Windows PCs, etc. Graphics are not a problem.

Heck, we could since forever also run graphical macOS and Windows on virtualization apps...

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> iOS apps on Mac—sometimes Says Full Screen Video works on some apps (MLB) but not HBO. What about other APIs like Filesystem and Notifications? Responsive apps to resize window? Any bigger write ups on this? To me, a single App Store across desktop/tablet/mobile has the most potential for developers from this chip change and it seems generally skipped over by almost all reviews.

I second this.

Most, if not all; the reviews I have read so far have been 100% focused on the hardware itself. I honestly had to dig deep to even find the information I wanted about Rosetta emulation performance.

For some reason, 80% of the articles out there are about benchmarks, when we're also looking at the single biggest new release of MacOS in arguably nearly 20 years. I get that it's a big hardware transition, but who cares if the software is not up to snuff? Both are equally important.

Catalyst is of huge interest to me, too; especially as an iOS developer.

Any good articles / links on this, HN? :)

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Copy-pasted the comment I left at another forum: The the M1 is Zen3 5600X performance in an ultra-portable form factor. Whether that's revolutionary or not particularly noteworthy depends on the individual use case. If you're don't care that much about power/heat/fan-noise, it's neat but not (yet) world shattering. Bit if you live your life on a small laptop, it may well be. According to rumors, we'll see Apple's 8 F…

I don't get this (sorry ignorant!) - isn't the Zen3 an AMD thing? What has this got to do with ARM?

Just a performance comparison.

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My question going forward is, how far can they extend the memory within the SOC architecture before the chip becomes too large to make this economical? I am also interested in their gGPU solution but am curious if they will be as diligent with driver updates as Nvidia and AMD are as one reason gaming is so strong on Windows is both providers quickly adjust for new games and issues.

While gaming is not an issue to all users the Mac world needs to shake this concept of just get a console or windows gaming machine. There should not be an excuse to have two or machines on separate platforms.

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I just bought a MacBook Air. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that this redefines how we think about a laptop. Whereas previously a laptop was something that spent the bulk of its time plugged in, and only capable of short bursts of number-crunching/gaming due to thermal and battery limitations, I can literally get a good few hours of gaming untethered on this machine. And this is a base-level MacBook Air, I imagine the Pros are even better.

I've owned a few "gaming" laptops, but until the M1 MBA I haven't had one that run games for more than an hour while on battery power, and even then it sounded like a jet taking off.

Software support is another, though Rosetta works surprisingly well, the general lack of Mac support in games combined with the removal of 32-bit support in Catalina mean, you're not exactly spoiled for choice.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Original comment mentions MB Air, Air has no fans (now that sounds funny :)

Of all the things unveiled during the launch event no-fan thing completely blew me away. That, I was not prepared for! I now wonder, does that mean that MB Air has no moving parts inside it at all?

>I now wonder, does that mean that MB Air has no moving parts inside it at all?

In addition, does that mean that the Air has no air vents? Is it a completely sealed unit, like an iPhone?

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Copy-pasted the comment I left at another forum: The the M1 is Zen3 5600X performance in an ultra-portable form factor. Whether that's revolutionary or not particularly noteworthy depends on the individual use case. If you're don't care that much about power/heat/fan-noise, it's neat but not (yet) world shattering. Bit if you live your life on a small laptop, it may well be. According to rumors, we'll see Apple's 8 F…

I don't get this (sorry ignorant!) - isn't the Zen3 an AMD thing? What has this got to do with ARM?

Yes, Zen3 is AMD's just released latest architecture, and currently the highest performing x86 implementation. The 5600X is the the mainstream 65W 6-core desktop Zen3 CPU.

It has nothing to do with ARM or Apple. I left the comparison as a reference point for people who follow desktop PC performance and may not be as well aware of Apple's.

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“New Intel chips were often delayed and offered only small improvements over previous generations.”

As noted on HN and elsewhere, Intel’s struggle has been in manufacturing. They minimized risk (“got lazy”) when Moore’s Law reigned and their fabs were 1-2 generations ahead of everyone else, but have since squeezed every last architectural drop out of 14nm. Put Tiger Lake on TSMC 5nm and a lot of M1’s lead goes away.

The M1 is a damned fine chip and I’d like to own one. But the recent hero worship is a bit awkward to read as Apple is generally following an accepted playbook in the End Times of Moore’s law. 1. Save power by creating accelerated logic blocks without locking yourself out of algorithmic improvements. 2. Execute flawlessly. A chip respin costs 3-4 months and who knows how much money, so you need to go to production with the A0 silicon you powered up. 3. Know your software-only workloads. At best, all mathy code can be shoved down SIMD pipelines for high IPC. At worst, you’re dealing with a bunch of branchy integer code. The M1 has solved for both with vector extensions and a massive reorder buffer and register file.

It’s a great chip and Apple got there first. They’ll be rewarded with sales and increased market share, and developers will have one architecture to wrench on for all platforms.

You would be right to say that Intel couldn’t make the M1. It’s not because Intel’s fabs are struggling or Apple has found tricks no one else in the world knows about. It’s because Apple controls the entire software stack and therefore knows what they need on the chip. Intel caters to the entire market (one the M1 just noticeably shrunk) with myriad integrators, workloads, and users, and each has different concerns and priorities making accelerated algorithm blocks useless to some and not-fast-enough for others.

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I got the mbp when on day one but haven't been able to fully test it yet BUT I have been using it (right now) for almost 2 hours reading reddit and whatnot, I went form 100% to 96%. On my current mbp (2019, i9, 16gb) 2 hours would kill 50% of my battery. I don't care if compile time takes 2x. I can take my laptop with me at 8am and come back at 10pm and know I won't need a charger. It is amazing

A battery life of 4 hours doesn't sound okay, my 2013 MBP lasts longer (original battery).

I have a late 2019 16" MBP - the battery life is very poor. 4hrs is pushing it.
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