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Whatever Happened to New Math? (1990)

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Re: Whatever Happened to New Math? (1990)

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Fashions, programs, rhetoric, task forces, agendas, etc., come and go in the public schools. The only constant is no change in results. It's actually kinda funny. There's an endless search for an effortless way to learn math. There is no such thing. Learning math requires work. Just like there is no way to get strong without hard work.

> There's an endless search for an effortless way to learn math. Nonsense. There is a search for more effective ways to teach math. And there most definitely are differences in effectiveness, so no reason to believe that any given way is optimal. > Just like there is no way to get strong without hard work. There are, however, lots of ways to spend a lot of hard work for little gain.

Teach math to who?

The problem (at least one of the problems) is, kids are different. You see these kids are struggling with the traditional approach. You devise a non-traditional approach to help them. And it actually works! For them...

But some kids who would have done fine on the traditional approach now are struggling. Is that a net win? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how many kids are in each group and how bad they're struggling.

Re: Whatever Happened to New Math? (1990)

#72
post #25

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I don't understand how someone can learn math, yet be unable to solve math problems on a test. In my 16 years of education, I saw a consistent 1:1 correlation with learning the material and doing correspondingly well on the tests. That consistency included myself - when I learned the material, I'd ace the test. When I didn't learn it, I failed the test. There wasn't any magical "learned but didn't test well" going on…

You’re speaking only of yourself and while you should be very happy you don’t suffer from any of a multitude of disorders, it’s highly classist and disrespectful to assume that nobody else else. Consider anxiety disorders. There’s a crystal clear, fully scientifically proven reason that some can know the material but fail to perform on a test. Think more. It helps.

> There’s a crystal clear, fully scientifically proven reason that some can know the material but fail to perform on a test.

I don't assume such people don't exist. But I'm not buying there are enough people to significantly alter overall student test results. There'd have to be a couple in every class, and I've never encountered one.

Re: Whatever Happened to New Math? (1990)

#73
post #69

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Nonsense is such a strong word when experience shows otherwise. Learn playing! Gamify! But people DO NOT LIKE MATHS despite them needing it. I am a professor of the thing and am not ashamed to own it. It is what it is. Like cleanin your room, doing your bed or... shaving!

People love math. Look at youtube channels like 3Blue1Brown - 3 million subscribers, 160 million views, or Numberphile with 3.4 million subscribers and 511 million views. Millions of people of their own free will go out of their way to at least get an introduction to math concepts. Most of this isn't practical knowledge that they need, but rather abstract concepts they learn purely for fun. Think of what fraction of…

3.4 million out of several billion :-)

Sounds about right!

Re: Whatever Happened to New Math? (1990)

#74
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People love math. Look at youtube channels like 3Blue1Brown - 3 million subscribers, 160 million views, or Numberphile with 3.4 million subscribers and 511 million views. Millions of people of their own free will go out of their way to at least get an introduction to math concepts. Most of this isn't practical knowledge that they need, but rather abstract concepts they learn purely for fun. Think of what fraction of…

3.4 million out of several billion :-) Sounds about right!

Of the 31 Million youtube channels, they are both in the top 5000 most subscribed. 99.9th percentile of popularity ain't too shabby.

Re: Whatever Happened to New Math? (1990)

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I still believe New Maths is a great idea. The main problem was that most teachers didn't get it, and so couldn't teach it. And parents were angry their kids were learning math that they couldn't understand. So it was an implementation issue. The concept was sound.

The problem with abstract thinking is that there’s often more than one way to represent an answer, so that means the teacher has to actually understand the problems, not just match to an answer sheet.

I’m reminded of a widely circulated common core math problem to draw a series of dots showing 4 x 8 or something. The kid drew 4 rows of 8 dots, and the teacher marked it “NO!” and drew 8 rows of 4.

Re: Whatever Happened to New Math? (1990)

#76
post #26

This is controversial (and shouldn’t be) but what if instead of spending so much time wondering why ‘Johnny’ can’t add, we spent that money and effort on making sure that Johnny was fed properly?? Countries with as much child poverty as Canada and the United States shouldn’t be surprised when their testing results don’t improve. This is pretty fucking basic science yet I’ve been fighting this battle for over twenty y…

Schools in the US serve nearly 12 million free breakfasts and over 20 million free lunches to children every day: https://schoolnutrition.org/AboutSchoolMeals/SchoolMealTrend...

Schools in parts (or perhaps all?) of California remained open just to serve meals even while everything else was on lockdown last spring.

Unfortunately the infrastructure of school meals in the US is, like so much else, political. A sensible approach would be free (both removing the complex billing infrastructure and removing stigma of "free" vs "paying") nutritious meals for all students.

Incredibly, both "free" and "nutritious" are contentious.

Re: Whatever Happened to New Math? (1990)

#77
post #62
post #47

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> And yet to this day I refuse to memorize the multiplication table. > Rote learning is easier for the teacher: easier to teach, easier to mark. You're right, but there's still a good reason to memorize the multiplication table: more advanced math builds upon lower level arithmetic, and so the less time you have to spend working on the low level details, the more time you can spend focusing on the higher level unders…

Any math higher level than arithmetic doesn't actually require doing arithmetic. If you want to find the hypotenuse of a triangle with side lengths A and B, the answer is sqrt(A^2 + B^2). It shouldn't matter how long it takes you to multiply A with itself because you shouldn't actually be doing that. Even if one insists on getting a numerical answer for say a word problem, you can use a calculator. If knowing your ti…

The mathematics itself might not require doing arithmetic, but human psychology forces us to approach the abstract via the concrete. A facility with arithmetic helps with building a pile of concrete examples as a springboard for the leap to the abstract.

For example, the usual example of a cyclic group is {0,1,2,3,4,5} with addition modulo 6. Maybe we start with 12 rather than 6 because it is familiar to old people used to analogue clocks. We end up with one example for each size. But we could also give {1,2,3,4,5,6} with multiplication modulo 7. Now the abstract idea of an isomorphism has a concrete example. [0->1, 1->3, 2->2, 3->6, 4->4, 5->5]. And we get a new perspective on generators. {0,1,2,3,4,5} has an obvious generator: 1. We are tempted to view 5 as an extra nuisance generator. But we notice that 6x6 = 36 = 5x7+1 means that 6x6 = 1 in the multiplicative group so 6 isn't a generator. And 2x2x2 = 8 = 7+1 == 1 mod 7, so 2 isn't a generator either.

Viewed abstractly, product groups look dull and easy. The Klein Four group is a product C2 x C2, and has four elements {(0,0), (0,1), (1,0), (1,1)}. Obviously the only set of generators is {(0,1),(1,0)} and there are two automorphisms, the identity and the map that swaps (0,1) and (1,0).

Those with a facility with arithmetic might play with {1,3,5,7} and multiplication modulo 8. Or {1,5,7,11} and multiplication modulo 12. But beware, you are venturing into dangerous territory. Which one of 3,5, and 7 is (0,1) and which is (1,0)? You are going to discover that the previous paragraph is wrong. (1,1) looks different from (0,1) and (1,0). It looks inferior and not a generator. But actually there are three minimal sets of generators {3,5}, {5,7}. and {3,7}.

Playing with similar examples gives a second insight into what mathematicians mean by isomorphism. The first insight is that names don't matter: an isomorphism is what a ConLanger would call a relex = relexification. You invent a new language by inventing new words for the same old stuff. The second insight is that we build compound names, with internal structure. We have primitive names, 0 and 1. We build compound names (0,0), (0,1), (1,0), and (1,1). Then the mathematical concept of isomorphism treats our set of compound names as a mere dust of points, discarding the structure. An isomorphism can as easily map (0,1) to (1,1) as to (1,0) because they are just names, like 3,5,7. A loose notion of isomorphism as "same shape" can trip you up, because the structure of the names isn't part of the shape.

Knowing your times tables well enough to play happily with simple examples can help learners appreciate the subtleties of advanced math.

Re: Whatever Happened to New Math? (1990)

#78
post #62
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And yet to this day I refuse to memorize the multiplication table. > Rote learning is easier for the teacher: easier to teach, easier to mark. You're right, but there's still a good reason to memorize the multiplication table: more advanced math builds upon lower level arithmetic, and so the less time you have to spend working on the low level details, the more time you can spend focusing on the higher level unders…

Any math higher level than arithmetic doesn't actually require doing arithmetic. If you want to find the hypotenuse of a triangle with side lengths A and B, the answer is sqrt(A^2 + B^2). It shouldn't matter how long it takes you to multiply A with itself because you shouldn't actually be doing that. Even if one insists on getting a numerical answer for say a word problem, you can use a calculator. If knowing your ti…

> Any math higher level than arithmetic doesn't actually require doing arithmetic.

That's not really true. If you're doing calculus, solving some integral, you end up doing a bunch of addition and multiplication along the way. That's not the part you're trying to learn, which is my point—by having your arithmetic down pat, you can focus on the important things, rather then having to think about the low level details at all.

Re: Whatever Happened to New Math? (1990)

#79
post #26

This is controversial (and shouldn’t be) but what if instead of spending so much time wondering why ‘Johnny’ can’t add, we spent that money and effort on making sure that Johnny was fed properly?? Countries with as much child poverty as Canada and the United States shouldn’t be surprised when their testing results don’t improve. This is pretty fucking basic science yet I’ve been fighting this battle for over twenty y…

Is it not the "teach a man to fish" problem?

Sometimes, welfare can cause more problems than it creates. So what should "people in power" do? Setup welfare programs, and in turn welfare dependence?

Education was seen a cure for poverty, which in turn is why Johnny isn't fed.

Re: Whatever Happened to New Math? (1990)

#80
post #50

Within home schooling communities, Singaporean style math has quite a following. Singapore also tends to score quite high on international exams. Basically, they focus on fewer topic more deeply. They also teach from concrete to abstract. I wish American schools would adopt this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_math

Stephen Boyd is somewhat famous for his class in Linear Dynamical Systems that begins with an introduction to what DiffEq really is, and how to use computation rather than abstract rules of symbolic manipulation. I felt cheated that my classes had been nearly exclusive to the abstract presentation, which was mostly useless except for rough conceptual understanding in the rest of my engineering life.

I was shocked when I saw equations of the form:

dy = dx + 3dz + 2

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