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The Makeup of the CCP Elite

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Re: The Makeup of the CCP Elite

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Post by edgyquant »

chrisco255 wrote: post #70
edgyquant wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes they objectively were and yes late feudal lords did exert control over far away lands (early ones as well like Charlemagne and even Charles Martel to a lesser extent.) Also the design of the US is to find a balance between a strong federal government and state governments. That is why the issue has dominated our politics, in one form the other, and we’ve had a two party system based around it, ever since.

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "objective". By what objective measure were they more corrupt than the CCP or the U.S.? Charlemagne exhibited control and influence over a smaller chunk of Europe than the current E.U. The U.S. can almost bankrupt any country at will by freezing it out of the banking system and imposing sanctions.

I do. The local feudal lords were able to treat anyone below them however they wanted and could take bribes without any threat from above so long as they provided the number of soldiers and gold asked.

At the risk of being pedantic, I think it is you who doesn’t understand the word corrupt. The US bankrupting nations it doesn’t disagree with is within the system of rules at play and isn’t corrupt even if it is morally wrong.

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Post by powerapple »

woah wrote: post #7

Interesting that their map seems to include Taiwan, although it is marked "NA", and no representatives come from there

That's strange actually. They do have 13 representatives from Taiwan. And many times people (mostly public figures, such as actor Jacky Chong) from Macau and Hong Kong register as representatives in their origin (where their parents or grand parents from) rather than representatives from Hong Kong or Macau.

Edit: I was talking about people's representatives, not CCP representatives. If it is about CCP representatives, communist party is illegal in Taiwan.

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Post by timwaagh »

So basically what it says is Xi is a non-traditional leader who hands all the positions to his friends and would rather let the leadership grow old and senile than promote a competent person, because old friends are not a threat.

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Post by inquirerofsorts »

timwaagh wrote: post #73

So basically what it says is Xi is a non-traditional leader who hands all the positions to his friends and would rather let the leadership grow old and senile than promote a competent person, because old friends are not a threat.

> would rather let the leadership grow old and senile than promote a competent person

Sounds a tad familiar? The US just elected the oldest President ever, who has spent decades in government.

Honestly confused by Americans pretending they have anything that different to what the Chinese do. Bushes, Clintons, it's like you've all harked back to royal lines while pretending it's something else.

It's truly terrifying that democracies are electing older and older people across the board, they simply aren't capable of doing the job, everyone I know over 60 has highly diminished mental capacities and if not retired they should be relegated to menial tasks.

I know it's a harsh thing to say and I'm truly sorry to people of said demographic reading this stuff but it's a cold hard fact easily backed up by decades of science.

Elderly people are the most dangerous politicians on the planet.

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Post by alavesto »

inquirerofsorts wrote: post #74
timwaagh wrote: post #73

So basically what it says is Xi is a non-traditional leader who hands all the positions to his friends and would rather let the leadership grow old and senile than promote a competent person, because old friends are not a threat.

> would rather let the leadership grow old and senile than promote a competent person Sounds a tad familiar? The US just elected the oldest President ever, who has spent decades in government. Honestly confused by Americans pretending they have anything that different to what the Chinese do. Bushes, Clintons, it's like you've all harked back to royal lines while pretending it's something else. It's truly terrifying t…

+1. Biden and Trump both sounded so much more intelligent in their younger days; I don't understand why we insist on only allowing people to lead our country when they're at their worst.

And despite billing himself as the alternate to the dynastical system, Trump quickly used the presidency as a vehicle for advancing his family's careers. Biden did the exact same thing as vice president - you can tell me what Hunter Biden did was "legal" till the cows come home, he obviously profited immensely from foreign business opportunities that existed solely because his dad was VP.

It's a problem that so-called liberal people love claiming that a scandal has been "debunked" because it was, in fact, legal to engage in extreme corruption. Do we really accept that this system is legitimate, much less superior to those horrible Russians and Chinese? As if they don't call their corruption legal, too?

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Post by balsam »

nyolfen wrote: post #11

https://sci-hub.do/10.1017/S0305741000045495 > The Hakka are an impoverished and stigmatized subgroup of Han Chinese whose settlements are scattered from Jiangxi to Sichuan. Socialist revolution meshed well with the Hakka tradition of militant dissent, so that their 3 per cent of the mainland population has been three times more likely than other Han to hold high position. Six of the nine Soviet guerrilla bases were…

Anyone knows if Xi Jingping is hakka? Your article (1992) is from before his rise but the following link from later on, 1999-2002, when he was governor of Fujian province (where historically part/most of the hakka holdings were) seems to imply he is.

http://www.china.org.cn/english/4344.htm

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

throwaway69123 wrote: post #50

I wonder what will happen to the politcal climate of China when the old guard age out.

The way I see it this form of government is no different than any other Chinese dynasty before it. Qi, Tang, Ming, Wing, you name it. They were always large, dynastic/monarchical, emphasis on military, kowtow, heavens mandate post confucianism, and unchanging until an internal coup or massive peasant revolt.

The CCP is no different. The only thing that would make me think they are is if they'd be willing to launch a nuke at their own people to prevent a revolution.

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Post by yeetman21 »

natmaka wrote: post #55
yeetman21 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In plato's republic the benevolent dictators choose their successors to also be benevolent dictators, do not know if that could work in real life but the CCP do chose their successors, and not based on blood lines

AFAIK during Plato's life no more than about 40 thousands citizen lived in Athens (along with up to ~3 times more non-citizens). Plato's Republic was about politics in such a city-state, never about a bigger human group (for example one of our current huge nations).

AFAIK during the height of Athenian democracy there were no more than 50k ish male citizens that lived in Athens, and all of the same ethnic group. Democracy only works for politics in such a city-state, never about about a bigger and more diverse non male group (for example one of our current huge nations)

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Post by yeetman21 »

ghostcluster wrote: post #45
yeetman21 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In plato's republic the benevolent dictators choose their successors to also be benevolent dictators, do not know if that could work in real life but the CCP do chose their successors, and not based on blood lines

And Xi has consolidated power and purged all competent up-and-coming potential successors that threaten this power. He shepherded through a modification in Chinese law to allow him to serve for life. Previously, the vaunted governing expertise inside the CCP had an age cap for its leaders. Not inspiring much confidence in their system. https://in.news.yahoo.com/xi-jinping-undertakes-fresh-round-... Another thing that…

Xi has only served for around 7 years, not even as long as some presidents. Merkel has served for somewhere around 15 years and many senators and congressmen have served for multiple decades.

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Post by rfoo »

balsam wrote: post #76
nyolfen wrote: post #11

https://sci-hub.do/10.1017/S0305741000045495 > The Hakka are an impoverished and stigmatized subgroup of Han Chinese whose settlements are scattered from Jiangxi to Sichuan. Socialist revolution meshed well with the Hakka tradition of militant dissent, so that their 3 per cent of the mainland population has been three times more likely than other Han to hold high position. Six of the nine Soviet guerrilla bases were…

Anyone knows if Xi Jingping is hakka? Your article (1992) is from before his rise but the following link from later on, 1999-2002, when he was governor of Fujian province (where historically part/most of the hakka holdings were) seems to imply he is. http://www.china.org.cn/english/4344.htm

No. Xi was born in Beijing, with his father and grandparents living in Fuping County, Shaanxi before joining CCP. And they are migrants from Henan.
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