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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by rectang »

CivBase wrote: post #37

GitHub is still hosting the full youtube-dl version history, including versions which include those supposedly infringing tests. Does copyright law end with HEAD on master? Those tests are still there. This makes it especially obvious that the RIAA's problem with youtube-dl was never really the tests.

> Does copyright law end with HEAD on master?

With regards to copyright law and "distribution", there's no distinction. The tests are still being "distributed", just from a different URL. If youtube-dl was in violation before, they still are now.

This is a confusing result. I would not expect any copyright litigant to sacrifice legal advantage for the sake of an adversary's convenience in maintaining complete version control history.

Could there possibly have been a miscommunication over what "remove the tests" meant? Or an offer of compromise outside of legal necessity? Or a bad-faith fulfillment of a promise to "remove the tests"?

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

solidninja wrote: post #17

How long before we start the discussion about exporting issues/comments and preparing for another event like this? :)

Negative time I'd say; as in, it has already been mentioned what feels like a million times. Maybe just open an issue on the github repo?

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by crazygringo »

CivBase wrote: post #37

GitHub is still hosting the full youtube-dl version history, including versions which include those supposedly infringing tests. Does copyright law end with HEAD on master? Those tests are still there. This makes it especially obvious that the RIAA's problem with youtube-dl was never really the tests.

I've always wondered about copyright and HEAD.

For example, you can find a LOT of copyrighted font files that were committed somewhere in GitHub, and then removed in a later commit once they realized they'd accidentally uploaded a copyrighted file.

But they're still always there in the history, effortless to download.

I'm not really sure what to make of that. I don't think it would really count as removal in court... but it seems rare and complex enough that it's not worth bringing up?

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

rphillips wrote: post #46

It will be nice when the RIAA lawyers start submitting PRs to fix an issue.

That would have been a great way to go about it. "This part infringes our copyright, here's a patch to fix that". But we all know they don't want to fix anything, they want only to destroy and prop up the corpse as a big bad wolf so the actual content creators get scared and keep paying them.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by bigbubba »

blueline wrote: post #64
bigbubba wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

yeah unlike us hackers who are saving the world with targeted ads and food delivery

Technology has had an impact on nearly any industry you can think of. As such, there is no shortage of tech work outside of ad tech. Ten years ago I worked on ad tech shit for Amazon, but I quit when I realized that made me a parasite.

I don't work in food delivery, but I'd say getting a pizza from point A to B is a hell of a lot more productive than being a lawyer for the RIAA.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by katsura »

simias wrote: post #53
bigbubba wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

This line of questioning on Startup News is quite amusing to me, I must say. How many of us can really pretend to make society a better place?

At least some of us don't try to actively make it harder/worse. So that's a plus.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by codetrotter »

contravariant wrote: post #58
jacquesm wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They see themselves as the last bastion of decency in a world full of violation.

This is neither here nor there but Nobel Prize winner Gerard 't Hooft has written an opinion piece on wrong-way drivers in science who seem convinced that everyone else is going the wrong way [1] (it's in Dutch unfortunately, but then the Dutch the word 'spookrider' (lit. 'ghostrider') is a lot cooler than 'wrong-way driver' IMHO). It's a concept that's somehow always stuck with me whenever I hear about people who se…

Yeah but sometimes it really is everyone else that is wrong. For example, when most people used to think the world was flat.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by fijal »

simias wrote: post #53
bigbubba wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

This line of questioning on Startup News is quite amusing to me, I must say. How many of us can really pretend to make society a better place?

All who live in silicon Valley of course. You seem to have forgotten that "making world a better place" is a mantra repeated across the entire IT. I presume if Facebook employees actively think that, so can RIAA lawyers

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by LandR »

blueline wrote: post #64
bigbubba wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

yeah unlike us hackers who are saving the world with targeted ads and food delivery

Exactly, I'm not fan of these type of lawyers, but they aren't even close to the same level of damage being done by people who work at places like Facebook.

I'm sure it's the usual case of a large enough salary helps you to forgot what a piece of shit you are.

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