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Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by vmception »

paxys wrote: post #64
vmception wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think about all the people behind on their rent and/or need to break their lease (an additional month rent) to move otherwise they risk a court ordered eviction, a debt judgement, and being on the “do not rent” list for all landlords everywhere forever no matter if the monthly rent is 1/10th the amount that caused the problem during a global pandemic. A $10k cash infusion solves all or a lot of that in most cases. Ma…

Well you're not getting a $10k infusion. It'll be paid out over a year. And the one application criteria (must already have a stable job which allows working fully remotely) filters out pretty much everyone you mentioned above who has been adversely affected by the pandemic.

I see

Then people want to leave!

Many people “in tech” or the eligible remote-possible population had many of their transplant friends disperse immediately back in March with a continual slow drain of more people leaving.

Tulsa is a No from me dawg, but I understand how people are hopping on the incentive without much deliberation!

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by HarryHirsch »

meekrohprocess wrote: post #2

Hehehe, Tulsa Oklahoma. I wonder how many of them visited before applying. I don't mean to knock the city, but it is a very different place, and SF residents might chafe at the lack of interesting nature in the surrounding area. Probably the closest large park-ish area would be the Ozarks over in Arkansas. It's a lovely forest, but still about a 2.5-hour drive away. And OK's state highways are absolutely littered wit…

I wonder how many of them visited before applying

The program will actually pay for a tour of Tulsa for potential recipients who have no connection to the city. That's what the FAQ page says. When you apply they also ask about your connection to Tulsa (friends, family), so to their credit they do take into account that the place may not be for everyone. They have looked into these difficulties, one should give them some credit.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by davidw »

paxys wrote: post #43

I understand people who have roots in the bay area and aren't in the position to leave (or just don't want to). I also understand people who, under the current circumstances, want to temporarily or permanently move to a location that will work out better for them. I don't understand, though, how $10K can be the deciding factor for someone for such a major decision.

I doubt it's the deciding factor, but emotionally, someone might already be looking at how much cheaper housing is, and think "and I get paid enough to cover the move" and think "ok, let's do it!"

Incidentally, there's a similar program for NW Arkansas, which looks to be a nicer area than Tulsa: https://findingnwa.com/incentive/

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by brudgers »

pqoek wrote: post #50
techsupporter wrote: post #17

I (truly) wish these people good luck and hope they find the happiness they seek. I am from near Tulsa and there's absolutely no way in hell you'll ever catch my family moving back to there. It's hot, humid, comes with tornadoes, you have to drive everywhere (and everywhere is set up on the assumption you will drive). Plus, I will never forget the clerk at the licensing office who, after the rules changed to require…

Part of changing and improve things is to actually move there to dilute the bigotry But I can understand that one wouldn't want to be the one that has to suffer for the good cause, because it takes generations for things to improve. The great thing about religion is that it attracts fanatics who are willing to do this work. I wish there was a movement to make the world a better place with missionaries going abroad an…

What religion is primarily focused on ending bigotry? Genuinely curious.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by peterwoerner »

pqoek wrote: post #54
throwawaygh wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These programs existed for decades before the pandemic. They never caught on for a very simple reason: CoL is literally the only advantage. $10K is nothing compared to the uphill climb of career progression that inevitably comes with remote work. Hell, $10K literally less than my first relocation package and I was moving a single bedroom. TL;DR: no one moves to SFBA because it's the best CoL vs salary choice, and the…

> non-Catholic private schools what's wrong with public schools?

Surely there must be a few good schools. I grew up in Tennessee and there were 4 or 5 good high schools in the state, one for each of the major cities plus an extra one due to Oak Ridge National Laboratory. They also happened to be in the suburbs where the foreigners (i.e. everyone hadn't grown up in the area) were placed. But yes, public schools are chronically underfunded in the "red" states.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by Retric »

austincheney wrote: post #66
pqoek wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of changing and improve things is to actually move there to dilute the bigotry But I can understand that one wouldn't want to be the one that has to suffer for the good cause, because it takes generations for things to improve. The great thing about religion is that it attracts fanatics who are willing to do this work. I wish there was a movement to make the world a better place with missionaries going abroad an…

> Part of changing and improve things is to actually move there to dilute the bigotry Yes, bigotry is a nasty stain. Otherwise this thought sounds so tone deaf. The common perception outside California is that Californians royally fucked it up and are flooding out like water from a ruptured damn, except they are bringing their political baggage with them to damage their new home just like the thing they can’t escape…

It’s really odd to me that California is perceived to be such a problem while the area is so economically productive. It’s a very odd type of cognitive dissonance where something is both a model to be copied and a mess at the same time by the same people.

People try and recreate Silicon Valley while arguing non competes must be enforced. As if the ideas must inherently be unrelated.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by peterwoerner »

burnthrow wrote: post #4
meekrohprocess wrote: post #2

Hehehe, Tulsa Oklahoma. I wonder how many of them visited before applying. I don't mean to knock the city, but it is a very different place, and SF residents might chafe at the lack of interesting nature in the surrounding area. Probably the closest large park-ish area would be the Ozarks over in Arkansas. It's a lovely forest, but still about a 2.5-hour drive away. And OK's state highways are absolutely littered wit…

Tulsa's pretty rad. The Ozarks are in Oklahoma too, actually. Sorry you got a ticket: Pay attention and slow down.

The south in general has a history of funding their local governments through traffic tickets.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by redm »

techsupporter wrote: post #17

I (truly) wish these people good luck and hope they find the happiness they seek. I am from near Tulsa and there's absolutely no way in hell you'll ever catch my family moving back to there. It's hot, humid, comes with tornadoes, you have to drive everywhere (and everywhere is set up on the assumption you will drive). Plus, I will never forget the clerk at the licensing office who, after the rules changed to require…

I think your painting with a pretty broad brush. Sitting aside your bad experience at the licensing office (and general negativity on the culture), someone moving from SF may have a higher quality of life, depending on what they value. For example, more space, lower cost of living, lower taxes, ability to travel more, save more, have a larger house, etc. You can trade tornado's for wild-fire's and earthquakes.

I lived in LA for 5 years, and in SF proper for 3. I live in the midwest now and I prefer it, not because of the weather, but for the cost.

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Post by erik_seaberg »

qppo wrote: post #29
wrsh07 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love for Tulsa to succeed at creating a "new silicon valley" It could be great for the area, great for the people who are early movers, etc I don't think it will be, but I think ideas like this are good experiments. You need a certain amount of gravity before you have a good tech scene, and I am interested in knowing "what does that gravity look like? How can such friction to becoming a tech hub be erased?" H…

Any place that wants to be the new Mecca for tech has to be pro tech worker and not pro tech company .

It takes a critical mass of tech companies that are well funded and regularly hiring, so government can't be squeezing them too hard.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by [deleted] »

austincheney wrote: post #66
pqoek wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of changing and improve things is to actually move there to dilute the bigotry But I can understand that one wouldn't want to be the one that has to suffer for the good cause, because it takes generations for things to improve. The great thing about religion is that it attracts fanatics who are willing to do this work. I wish there was a movement to make the world a better place with missionaries going abroad an…

> Part of changing and improve things is to actually move there to dilute the bigotry Yes, bigotry is a nasty stain. Otherwise this thought sounds so tone deaf. The common perception outside California is that Californians royally fucked it up and are flooding out like water from a ruptured damn, except they are bringing their political baggage with them to damage their new home just like the thing they can’t escape…

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