Case count != actual risk of death or permanent injury. You have to be in a high risk group. I wish we'd evaluate actual risk rather than perceived.
You can't really tell if you're in a high risk group unless you've done extensive health testing.
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
So... my body, _not_ my choice?
Sure, just like drunk driving or twitching your trigger finger when someone just happens to be in front of the gun.
What about non-drunk driving? You still have a non zero risk of killing pedestrians or other drivers/passengers.
There's risk in everything we do, including for other people. What amount of risk is acceptable is a subjective choice.
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#73I wonder if we could implement some sort of cap and trade system to make everyone happy? Everyone could be rationed a certain number of gatherings per month and then each person would be free to choose how to use them. They could use one to see family during the holidays, they could go to a protest, go to a wedding, celebrate in the street, go to a movie, etc. We could even track them as discrete tokens, or "social c…
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#74It also demonstrates why the "personal choice" stuff is BS here. I see a lot of folks going "why are you worried if you're following the rules yourself?", and yet... > None of the victims who lost their lives had attended the party.
You can tighten the circle even tighter than that. Since (non-N95) masks are mostly useful for limiting how far your own droplets spread, and don't do much to protect against incoming germs, it's really not about whether or not you personally are following the rules. It's about whether or not everyone else is.
It's sort of like the pool at my kids' swim school. If other toddlers were being allowed to go in the pool without a swim diaper, then it really wouldn't matter if my own kid is wearing one or not. They'd still be swimming in water that's repeatedly being fouled by uncontained feces.
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#75What are HNers planning to do for the holidays? We’re seriously considering not seeing anyone, not even parents, even though my SO has had COVID already (she works at a hospital and contracted it from COVID patients). Stories like this are the main reason. Even if no one at the party gets very ill, the chance of further spreading it to others seriously scares me.
My parents live in the same city as me. I'll probably spend the day before thanksgiving in line to get a rapid swab, then bike to their place and eat some bird.
Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings
#76What are HNers planning to do for the holidays? We’re seriously considering not seeing anyone, not even parents, even though my SO has had COVID already (she works at a hospital and contracted it from COVID patients). Stories like this are the main reason. Even if no one at the party gets very ill, the chance of further spreading it to others seriously scares me.
Staying the f away from elderly in-laws with high-risk health conditions (diabetes, COPD). Definitely continuing that through Christmas. They are not fans of that decision though, and guilt-trip us on every FaceTime chat.
It's absolutely insane how indifferent some older people are to the risks of covid-19. Cognitive decline is a real thing but with covid-19, it's like they have lost their minds.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honestly, I would be okay with someone being tried for murder over this shit. Isn't the death penalty supposed to be a deterrence?
It's very clearly not murder; that'd set really bad precedents. You might be able to pull off something like involuntary manslaughter, but I tend to doubt it.
Newton's third law seems to apply to ideas as well.
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#78Case count != actual risk of death or permanent injury. You have to be in a high risk group. I wish we'd evaluate actual risk rather than perceived.
>Over the next 38 days, the virus spread to 176 other people. Seven of them died. Seven people died. This isn't some hypothetical where people are acting like there's risk where there isn't; it's a story of seven real, living, breathing humans passing away.
People die.
I'm becoming more and more callus about the whole thing and beginning to think we just need to adjust our expectations and accept that people die.
I was told recently that my town is in terrible shape and the hospitals are nearly overwhelmed. Listening further, I learned that "nearly overwhelmed" meant we had capacity for two or three people to be really sick with Coronavirus.
If we need to decimate our economy because only two or three people can be really sick at once, then that is the wrong trade-off in my opinion.
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#79Why do people go to work when they're sick? I don't understand for the life of me, how someone thinks it's ok? If you don't feel well, your company (or money) is not worth your life or the lives of others. Stay home ffs.
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#80It’s interesting that the reporter here is shaming a wedding reception and not the long-term care facility where the deaths actually occurred.
And not shaming for people for going to work with obvious Covid-19 symptoms, both to a prison and a long-term care facility.
It’s clear the editors needed a story about family gatherings and not yet another story about old folks homes being high risk.