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Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

Scarbutt wrote: post #67
dm319 wrote: post #55

Just in case anyone is curious as to why someone would use mutt, here are a few: 1. I can edit and compose emails in my favourite editor 2. Near instantaneous launch 3. Can launch multiple instances, allowing for viewing/searching to happen concurrently 4. Rapid search with advanced searching features - i.e. find all emails that have 1 or more attachments sent to me from within a month of 1/1/2019 from someone with a…

How do you send html emails? write the tags manually and sending it as text/html ?

Generally Mutt users don't.

Personally I find the need for HTML email extremely unusual (maybe once every year or two?). My guess is that, for the average Mutt user, it's less than that.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by rakoo »

k2enemy wrote: post #64
em-bee wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how is the folder handling with notmuch in mutt? i use sup (which is where notmuch came from) because it provides on-the-fly virtual folders where emails match a search query or a tag. i can also open multiple folders at once and switch between them without loosing state. it's been a while, but when i last used mutt it could not do that

Mutt cannot do multiple folders and keep state. Coincidentally, I used to use sup and it is my favorite mail client that I've used. At the time there was no way to sync changes back to maildir or some format that IMAP could sync. Is that still the case?

No, maildir syncback has been merged for some time already (https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Using-sup-with-ot...): changes in sup are sent back to maildir, which is synchronized back to IMAP as usual !

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by stjohnswarts »

bsdubernerd wrote: post #63
azamba wrote: post #2

Does anyone use Mutt with gmail or alikes today? Is it worth it? Mutt was my preferred email client back in 2000-2004. But gave it up for Gmail web interface.

It's almost unthinkable to me that you consider/ed gmail to be better. mutt was miles ahead of gmail already back then, and the difference just grew with the various gmail redesigns. I'd like to know why you gave it up for gmail. Is it because of the way terminal programs look?

I know it's all opinion but I find I quite like using html mail and not having to worry about configuring a bunch of stuff on Gmail to get done what I want to do. As far as search it has always been sufficient and the speed is okay for what I do, I rarely get more than 10-20 emails a day.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by aidenn0 »

ravi-delia wrote: post #40
aidenn0 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was the advantage of isync? I'm currently using offlineimap.

I find that isync is much faster, and much more reliable. Offlineimap would often run out of memory, or silently fail dozens of times in a row.

I've not seen it OOM, but I have 64GB of ram.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by [deleted] »

Scarbutt wrote: post #67
dm319 wrote: post #55

Just in case anyone is curious as to why someone would use mutt, here are a few: 1. I can edit and compose emails in my favourite editor 2. Near instantaneous launch 3. Can launch multiple instances, allowing for viewing/searching to happen concurrently 4. Rapid search with advanced searching features - i.e. find all emails that have 1 or more attachments sent to me from within a month of 1/1/2019 from someone with a…

How do you send html emails? write the tags manually and sending it as text/html ?

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Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by em-bee »

rakoo wrote: post #72
k2enemy wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mutt cannot do multiple folders and keep state. Coincidentally, I used to use sup and it is my favorite mail client that I've used. At the time there was no way to sync changes back to maildir or some format that IMAP could sync. Is that still the case?

No, maildir syncback has been merged for some time already ( https://github.com/sup-heliotrope/sup/wiki/Using-sup-with-ot... ): changes in sup are sent back to maildir, which is synchronized back to IMAP as usual !

it is worth pointing out that very recently sup development has picked up again by a few contributors

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by JoshTriplett »

Fnoord wrote: post #56
JoshTriplett wrote: post #14

> Automatic reconnect to IMAP on error Really looking forward to this. This was the one notable issue I had with mutt: if you lose your connection, it would forget which mails you marked as read, deleted, etc.

Its been a while since I used Mutt extensively (lets say about 15 years) but IIRC you could use $ to sync the changes, though you'd have to do it manually.

You can, but you have to do that manually while you still have your connection. I've gotten into the habit of doing that frequently while triaging mail, but I'd rather not have to.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by RMPR »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #69
DJHenk wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is much lower on the list for terminal-first users than that, as they use Aerc or Mutt solely for reading and writing mail on the local machine and rely on other programs to sync the incoming and outgoing mail with the external mail server. I use Aerc, but also msmtp for sending and mbsync for receiving mail, for instance. This aligns more with the Unix philosophy of combining multiple small programs that…

I don't want to debug multiple programs when mail isn't getting sent or received. I don't want to have programs that think they've sent mail when they've just handed off responsibility to some other program. And, closely related, I don't want to have incidents where mail isn't getting sent and I don't know that. I'd like a mail client as capable as mutt, but that also works whether I'm online or not, handles mail syn…

>I'd like a mail client as capable as mutt, but that also works whether I'm online or not, handles mail sync automatically in the background while I start processing those mails, lets me browse and search and draft responses offline, and has a built-in idea of "has that mail been sent yet?" rather than just saying "sent" the moment a mail goes into another queue the client doesn't manage without giving any status for when it actually gets sent. And all that while also leaving mail on the server so that other mail clients such as K-9 mail on my phone (which can do all those things) can also process mail..

FWIW aerc does have all this built-in, but also offers the possibility to just hand off responsibility to external programs. As far as I'm concerned, I use the built-in email sender. Unfortunately, the built-in emails fetcher does not work well with poor internet connection or offline. That's why I use offlineimap to sync maildirs every 5 mins, and notmuch is just the icing on the cake for fast search/indexing.

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