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Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by majormajor »

Dahoon wrote: post #63
curt15 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only Google could put this much effort into supporting its own Pixel devices, which stop getting updates to the base OS after just three years.

>after just three years The 5S was sold from Apple stores in India in mid 2017. So that's 3 years of updates from end-of-sale and this is an OS update for a 2 year old OS. So two years of support. Less than the Pixel.

I had a Pixel 1, launched in 2016, and it lost support in 2019. 3 years after start of sale, not end of sale.

It's part of why I went back to Apple.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by diebeforei485 »

Y-bar wrote: post #39
alewi481 wrote: post #10

I'd like to give kudos to Apple for including the iPhone 5S in this security update, which was released on September 20, 2013, over 7 years ago! Supporting a product for even 3 years is rare in the smartphone world.

Wouldn't last official sale date be a better indicator of true device support? For example if someone bought it in an Apple store on the last day available, how long period would they have received updates for? For example in mid 2017 it was still officially sold by Apple in India (source: https://www.iphonehacks.com/2017/05/apple-iphone-5s-iphone-s... ).

Apple uses this metric as well[1]. If something hasn't been sold by Apple for 5 years (but less than 7 years), it's considered vintage and you can still get hardware service and certain critical software fixes, though not necessarily any new features.

The support for MacBooks is actually great. Certain Late 2013 and Mid 2014 Retina MacBook Pros, while considered vintage, will be receiving the Big Sur update[2].

1. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624 2. https://www.apple.com/macos/big-sur-preview/ (at the bottom of the page)

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by irae »

win32k wrote: post #30
heavyset_go wrote: post #8

I think it's interesting how iOS exploits are cheaper[1] than Android exploits, because iOS exploits are so plentiful in comparison to Android exploits. [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/for-t...

Why are you citing a year+ old article? It's clearly out of date. iOS is a much more secure platform, and exploits are much rarer than Android exploits. HN has really gone down in quality of readers/commenters.

What about the "Released November 5, 2020" part of the page? Are you from the future?

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by bamboozled »

beagle3 wrote: post #67
MrStonedOne wrote: post #20

Anybody get a bitter sweet feeling when ever these reported and fixed security exploits announcements happen? It's good that users aren't going to risk getting hacked by such vulnerabilities, but its bad that users can no longer uses these exploits to gain administrative control over their property.

If you want a phone that you have control over, don't buy one from Apple... At this point in time, choices are mostly limited to Librem and PinePhone.

FairPhone too?

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by hbbio »

ezekg wrote: post #16
als0 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 5S is still the perfect iPhone.

How do you still have one that's running OK? My Apple products almost always "die" after a few years. I had the 5S but one day it crashed and would not turn back on no matter what I did. The iPhone I had before that did the same thing.

The list of old Apple devices that still work well is impressive: I still have one original iPad, an iPhone 3GS, several iPhone 4. Same goes for the more recent ones, with the exception of the few devices that I dropped on hard floors over the last 10 years...

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by heavyset_go »

rozab wrote: post #19
heavyset_go wrote: post #8

I think it's interesting how iOS exploits are cheaper[1] than Android exploits, because iOS exploits are so plentiful in comparison to Android exploits. [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/for-t...

What about the fact that android has 3 times the market share?

In the US, iOS has the majority of market share at 52.4%, and Android has 47%[1].

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/266572/market-share-held...

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by heavyset_go »

duxup wrote: post #17
heavyset_go wrote: post #8

I think it's interesting how iOS exploits are cheaper[1] than Android exploits, because iOS exploits are so plentiful in comparison to Android exploits. [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/for-t...

Is that still the case? The article implies that before it was written that wasn't the case previously.

Yes. Here's an article from May of this year[1], where it states that it is still the case.

Also, you can go directly to Zerodium's website, where, as of today, they are still paying more for Android exploits than iOS exploits[2].

[1] https://www.theregister.com/2020/05/14/zerodium_ios_flaws/

[2] http://zerodium.com/program.html

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by ValentineC »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #72
Y-bar wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't last official sale date be a better indicator of true device support? For example if someone bought it in an Apple store on the last day available, how long period would they have received updates for? For example in mid 2017 it was still officially sold by Apple in India (source: https://www.iphonehacks.com/2017/05/apple-iphone-5s-iphone-s... ).

Apple uses this metric as well[1]. If something hasn't been sold by Apple for 5 years (but less than 7 years), it's considered vintage and you can still get hardware service and certain critical software fixes, though not necessarily any new features. The support for MacBooks is actually great. Certain Late 2013 and Mid 2014 Retina MacBook Pros, while considered vintage, will be receiving the Big Sur update[2]. 1. ht…

> The support for MacBooks is actually great. Certain Late 2013 and Mid 2014 Retina MacBook Pros, while considered vintage, will be receiving the Big Sur update.

I think it's more likely that Apple's new frameworks don't require any fancy hardware features that aren't available in the Late 2013 MacBook Pros.

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by mikepurvis »

Tepix wrote: post #15
als0 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 5S is still the perfect iPhone.

If the 5S is perfect, what's the iPhone SE (2016)?

I love the 5S form factor as well. I only updated from it earlier this year to get iOS 13 to use the COVID Alert app here in Canada (and my upgrade was buying a smashed-screen iPhone SE for next to nothing, of course, and swapping the old phone's screen onto it).

Re: About the security content of iOS 12.4.9

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Post by heavyset_go »

win32k wrote: post #30
heavyset_go wrote: post #8

I think it's interesting how iOS exploits are cheaper[1] than Android exploits, because iOS exploits are so plentiful in comparison to Android exploits. [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/for-t...

Why are you citing a year+ old article? It's clearly out of date. iOS is a much more secure platform, and exploits are much rarer than Android exploits. HN has really gone down in quality of readers/commenters.

> Why are you citing a year+ old article? It's clearly out of date

Because it is still the case as of today[1], and nothing of note has changed[2].

> HN has really gone down in quality of readers/commenters.

Ironic, considering this comment violates HN's guidelines.

[1] http://zerodium.com/program.html

[2] https://www.theregister.com/2020/05/14/zerodium_ios_flaws/

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