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750M genetically modified mosquitoes to be released in Florida

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Re: 750M genetically modified mosquitoes to be released in Florida

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An interesting aspect to this debate is: what kind of actions do we sort of instinctively judge to have very large tail risk, and should we trust those judgements? Of course, the argument here is about the precautionary principle. But the precautionary principle sort of assumes that we can correctly judge which actions have potentially disastrous (non-ergodic, to use Taleb's vocab) consequences. That in itself is an…

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-49660-6#Sec10 This study is interesting. It relates to the company and what happened to the mosquitoes when they tested it in Brazil and Malaysia. TLDR: Mosquito population became suppressed at first but rebounded to pre-release levels and some carried the genetics of the GM mosquitoes (3% survival rate and can reproduce), unknown implications of hybrid vigor. "However, it i…

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-62398-w

The Editors are issuing an Editorial Expression of Concern for this Article.

Shortly after publication of this Article in September 2019, the Editors were alerted to concerns regarding the interpretation of the data and some of the conclusions. Specific concerns include:

- the title does not make it clear that the authors only examined genomes of specimens that lacked the transgenes and sampled during the release period;

- the Abstract and Introduction use language which is not justified given the evidence present in the peer reviewed literature and the data presented in this Article. No sampling for this study was conducted more than a few weeks after the release program, and as such there is no evidence in the Article to establish whether the non-transgenic, introgressed sequences from the released strain remained in the population over time. Furthermore, previous work from some of the authors (Reference 6 in the Article) showed that over time, the transgene is lost from the population, but the Article does not disclose this information;

- in the Discussion, the authors claim that because of the distinct genetic backgrounds of different mosquito populations (two used to create OX513A mosquitoes, and one local population), the existing population in Jakobina is more robust than the original wild population due to hybrid vigour. There are no data in the Article to support this point; furthermore, data included in the Article indicate that a number of hybrid individuals rapidly declined post-release;

- the conclusion of the Article highlighting “the importance of having in place a genetic monitoring program during such releases” could be misunderstood to mean that such program was not in place. The Mosquito release program in Jakobina is monitored by the Brazilian regulator, the National Technical Commission of Biosafety (CTNBio).

When contacted about these issues, some of the authors indicated that they had not approved the final version that was submitted for publication.

The Editors received a response to the concerns from the corresponding author, and sought further advice from expert peer reviewers regarding both the issues raised and the response received. The reviewers confirmed that the scientific concerns are valid and should be addressed.

Re: 750M genetically modified mosquitoes to be released in Florida

#72

Didn't they already try this somewhere else and it wasn't very effective?

Here's the study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-49660-6 This study is interesting. It relates to the company and what happened to the mosquitoes when they tested it in Brazil, Cayman Islands and Malaysia. TLDR: Mosquito population became suppressed at first but rebounded to pre-release levels and some carried the genetics of the GM mosquitoes (3% survival rate and can reproduce), unknown implications of…

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-62398-w

The Editors are issuing an Editorial Expression of Concern for this Article.

Shortly after publication of this Article in September 2019, the Editors were alerted to concerns regarding the interpretation of the data and some of the conclusions. Specific concerns include:

- the title does not make it clear that the authors only examined genomes of specimens that lacked the transgenes and sampled during the release period;

- the Abstract and Introduction use language which is not justified given the evidence present in the peer reviewed literature and the data presented in this Article. No sampling for this study was conducted more than a few weeks after the release program, and as such there is no evidence in the Article to establish whether the non-transgenic, introgressed sequences from the released strain remained in the population over time. Furthermore, previous work from some of the authors (Reference 6 in the Article) showed that over time, the transgene is lost from the population, but the Article does not disclose this information;

- in the Discussion, the authors claim that because of the distinct genetic backgrounds of different mosquito populations (two used to create OX513A mosquitoes, and one local population), the existing population in Jakobina is more robust than the original wild population due to hybrid vigour. There are no data in the Article to support this point; furthermore, data included in the Article indicate that a number of hybrid individuals rapidly declined post-release;

- the conclusion of the Article highlighting “the importance of having in place a genetic monitoring program during such releases” could be misunderstood to mean that such program was not in place. The Mosquito release program in Jakobina is monitored by the Brazilian regulator, the National Technical Commission of Biosafety (CTNBio).

When contacted about these issues, some of the authors indicated that they had not approved the final version that was submitted for publication.

The Editors received a response to the concerns from the corresponding author, and sought further advice from expert peer reviewers regarding both the issues raised and the response received. The reviewers confirmed that the scientific concerns are valid and should be addressed.

Re: 750M genetically modified mosquitoes to be released in Florida

#73
post #62

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Sterilized by radiation sounds much more risky to me. You don't know what else was changed by the radiation. With gene editing at least you know what you changed.

If you sterilize an animal it doesn't reproduce. These insects only don't reproduce well.

How would you check millions of insects for actually being sterile? Considering it cost 100M$, I assume they established a non-lethal dose of radiation and then just blasted the insects. Could easily be that one develops beneficial mutations.

Re: 750M genetically modified mosquitoes to be released in Florida

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Reading wikipedia, the Sterile Insect Technique seems awesome! I hope someone knowledgeable can answer some questions: 1. If a fertile female mates with a sterile male, why does she not just mate again? 2. How are males selected? 3. How are males sterilized? Wikipedia refers to "irradiation of reproductive cells" but this can't be so precisely targeted...right?

1. Various insects have limitations on how often they reproduce or the female always lays eggs after fertilization, regardless of if the male was fertile at all, causing infertile or inviable eggs to form.

2. Insects have chromosomes specific to their sex, similar to the XY System in Humans but the X0 System (ie, lack of an X chromosome is a male) is a bit more popular in this kingdom (IIRC).

3) Radiation can be very targeted, you just need a method of aiming, a computer can probably do it. Or you can abuse feeding habits. Ie, you make it so that the insect can only feed in a specific position, then beam radiation at a fixed spot which will be close enough.

Re: 750M genetically modified mosquitoes to be released in Florida

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you sterilize an animal it doesn't reproduce. These insects only don't reproduce well.

How would you check millions of insects for actually being sterile? Considering it cost 100M$, I assume they established a non-lethal dose of radiation and then just blasted the insects. Could easily be that one develops beneficial mutations.

I'm imagining a lab where how effectively mosquitos are humping in measured after blasting their naughty bits with radiation. That is amazing.

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Re: 750M genetically modified mosquitoes to be released in Florida

#77
post #65

So mosquito experiments seem to fail with dangerous consequences but we are accelerating them nevertheless? Nice https://newatlas.com/science/genetic-engineering-mosquito-ex... https://newatlas.com/science/gm-mosquito-study-oxitec-rebutt...

You may wish to read the retraction/followup: https://newatlas.com/science/gm-mosquito-study-oxitec-rebutt...

Re: 750M genetically modified mosquitoes to be released in Florida

#78
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-49660-6#Sec10 This study is interesting. It relates to the company and what happened to the mosquitoes when they tested it in Brazil and Malaysia. TLDR: Mosquito population became suppressed at first but rebounded to pre-release levels and some carried the genetics of the GM mosquitoes (3% survival rate and can reproduce), unknown implications of hybrid vigor. "However, it i…

This is the perfect outcome for the company profits. Now they can sell a bunch of GM mosquitos each 18 months. A bug for the consumers, a feature for the developers.

The joys of unregulated free market.

Re: 750M genetically modified mosquitoes to be released in Florida

#79
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you sterilize an animal it doesn't reproduce. These insects only don't reproduce well.

How would you check millions of insects for actually being sterile? Considering it cost 100M$, I assume they established a non-lethal dose of radiation and then just blasted the insects. Could easily be that one develops beneficial mutations.

Not to sound condescending but I think we have yet to observe radiation leading to useful mutation. Radiation does not lead to 'mutation' in the sense of what you are implying. Rather it leads to DNA damages (breakage of chemical bonds) which usually leads to cancer.

Re: 750M genetically modified mosquitoes to be released in Florida

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post #79
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you check millions of insects for actually being sterile? Considering it cost 100M$, I assume they established a non-lethal dose of radiation and then just blasted the insects. Could easily be that one develops beneficial mutations.

Not to sound condescending but I think we have yet to observe radiation leading to useful mutation. Radiation does not lead to 'mutation' in the sense of what you are implying. Rather it leads to DNA damages (breakage of chemical bonds) which usually leads to cancer.

Radiation increases mutation rates. Natural mutations occur through not vastly different mechanisms either.

In case you think no positive mutations come out of it; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation_breeding

We literally blasted plants with radiation and then bred the ones that looked like they had some positive mutations.

Especially the list of notable results is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation_breeding#Notable_muta...

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