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U.S. Exits Paris Climate Accord

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main fear I have during this election is that Biden wins, he picks up where Obama left waging wars, and once again they flood Europe with "refugees".

You realize Obama didn’t start any wars and spent 8 years trying to close Pandora’s box?

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As a European this is the main fear I have during this election. 4 more years of inaction from the government of one of the biggest polluters in the world will really bite us in the ass. Not that I’m super proud of how we are doing in my country, but it can’t get worse.

The biggest issue with the Paris Accords is that China did not commit to begin any restrictions until 2030. ...and since they are both the world's largest CO2 emitter and world's fastest growing CO2 emitter, the Accords became a corporate strategy to just move more manufacturing to China (and other non-limited countries). Frankly, I think the Paris Accords does more harm than good by giving anyone the notion that we…

It is also based on the idea that any human deserves the same emissions. Of course, at first level, it is legitimate. However, a country which doesn’t want to pollute should rather choose to keep their population low, through various incentives including cost of life. It would set them back on the economic power, but that may be a choice: Better lifestyle for fewer people.

In the current system, however, a country who keeps their population low will have small allowances; It clearly incentives overpopulating its land. This inverse-incentive effect may provoke countries into doing nothing against evergrowing population, keeping cost of life too affordable, and thus, ensuring that the next generation will be overpopulated, and thus, extenuating the land.

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post #67

Good. The Paris accord is not worth the paper it’s written on. It’s non-biding, it has no enforcement, and the goals where self imposed and for some countries ridiculous. Even if it’s not for the right reasons, the US leaving might force world leaders to actually do something.

Why would the United States leaving force leaders to do something ?

Seems like very obscure logic.

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On a related note, if all of the frozen ice goes melty melty, Paris will be underwater. It’s at 35m, and sea levels could rise by 70m if Earth goes full thaw.

This is quite a good tool to explore what would happen at different sea level rises - http://flood.firetree.net/ - it maxes out at 60m, but even there it's a very different world.

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post #60
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have linked economies. What China makes for US they also use a version of that internally. So if US goes all electric car, China would follow suit, etc.

So Tesla is being built in China? That's not what I've heard. In fact Tesla has shipped cars to China. Just look at the recent recall. China has their own versions of electric cars (see NIO as an example).

> So Tesla is being built in China?

Non-sequitur. I never said about things US internally makes. Also Tesla makes like 1% of all US cars?

But a lot of US imports are from China. And if a large part of those imports became "green", I doubt Chinese authorities would build non-green infra just to spite Americans and/or the World.

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post #67

Good. The Paris accord is not worth the paper it’s written on. It’s non-biding, it has no enforcement, and the goals where self imposed and for some countries ridiculous. Even if it’s not for the right reasons, the US leaving might force world leaders to actually do something.

And how is it not worth it? You said it yourself. It was non-biding, no enforcement, goals where self imposed and the US government still didn't want to take part.

What kind of message is that sending?

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As a European this is the main fear I have during this election. 4 more years of inaction from the government of one of the biggest polluters in the world will really bite us in the ass. Not that I’m super proud of how we are doing in my country, but it can’t get worse.

The biggest issue with the Paris Accords is that China did not commit to begin any restrictions until 2030. ...and since they are both the world's largest CO2 emitter and world's fastest growing CO2 emitter, the Accords became a corporate strategy to just move more manufacturing to China (and other non-limited countries). Frankly, I think the Paris Accords does more harm than good by giving anyone the notion that we…

You cannot hinder developing countries from the comfort of living in a develop country. The fact that China agreed to a year is amazing. If the US would have kept part of that deal then maybe we would've seen improvements.

But now that the US basically proven to be untrustworthy, even towards allies, these kind of deals are just undoable anymore.

This will end in tears

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post #33

Without China (which is a part of the accord, but doesn't have to cut its emissions until 2030, a loophole they're actively using to build insane numbers of coal power plants - whatever their CO2 emissions are in 2030 becomes their "baseline" from which to reduce) this was pretty pointless anyway. Whoever negotiated PCA should not be allowed to negotiate whatever comes after it, because they suck at negotiations. htt…

Didn't China also said they expect their CO2 emmision to peak in 2022, 8 years before their goal of 2030 from the Paris accord.

Then go for carbon neutral in 2060.

Src: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-carbon-idUSKCN1VQ1K...

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