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Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by wruza »

otikik wrote: post #68

I used to like that my tech was "smarter". Last night my son took my earphones from the table to play with them, and I spent an inordinate amount of time looking for them (they ended up in the terrace!). But this morning I got several ads on youtube for headphones. I don't like this one bit.

My coworker told me stories like this and I thought that it was a coincidence or he just googled similar keywords without remembering it. But then I got a new phone and one day it (very unusually) suggested me anti-diarrhea pills. It was an interesting sensation, because guess what I was doing for last ten minutes before seeing this ads.

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by rconti »

throwaway4good wrote: post #51
hajile wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's also cheaper to let the US do its military thing and be a bodyguard, and that means the EU can focus on more important social issues. Maybe it's a small price to pay, maybe not. Some future generation will have to answer that. I guess Europe had better hope America doesn't do what Americans want and pull troops home... The only truth of foreign policy is "might makes right". Ignoring treaties as just pieces of…

Europe's military as it is is enough to counterbalance Russia's. The US military presence in Europe is a relic from the cold war.

My knee-jerk impression is that the European countries don't have the will to deploy their military in a show of force, which is different from saying they wouldn't technically be able to defend their borders from actual force rather than creeping intimidation.

On the other hand, the US actually LIKES the show of force, and sees it as a strategic strength, to the extent that they're overjoyed to have an ally to protect as an 'excuse' to flex muscle in the region.

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by chrisjc »

throwaway4good wrote: post #52
parsimo2010 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU knows this, but they will continue to comply with US trade sanctions until they can live without the US in all areas. A giant hurdle (but not the only one) is NATO and being able to counter Russia. While NATO and the EU are separate, many countries are members of both. If the EU took a hard stance and said that they value trade with China more than the US's security complaints, the US could very well use that…

The US tech war against China acts as a massive subsidy for China's domestic semiconductor companies. I suspect that is why the Chinese response has been so muted.

Interesting... Can you elaborate more on this idea?

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by simonh »

hajile wrote: post #47
buran77 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> until they can live without the US in all areas. The EU isn't necessarily worried it can't live without the US because the US wouldn't simply answer by withdrawing all support and embargoing the EU. They'd be shooting themselves in the other foot. But they would respond the way all superpowers do when direct, public intervention is not on the table. With subversion. If the NSA leaks have shown anything it's that ev…

> It's also cheaper to let the US do its military thing and be a bodyguard, and that means the EU can focus on more important social issues. Maybe it's a small price to pay, maybe not. Some future generation will have to answer that. I guess Europe had better hope America doesn't do what Americans want and pull troops home... The only truth of foreign policy is "might makes right". Ignoring treaties as just pieces of…

The only reasons Europeans care about the US military presence in Europe are (1) the economic benefits and (2) the signalling of solidarity against Russia. Actually countering Russian military capacity really isn't an issue any more, and Britain and France have enough nukes to act as a deterrent.

Russia is a threat, but in the annoying neighbours who keeps holding loud parties, deal drugs and litter the streets and who's dog keeps crapping on your lawn kind of way. You don't want to do anything to encourage them, but actually your uncle is in the police and you have two cousins in the Army, and if the neighbours tried anything really serious, reality would assert itself pretty fast, and not in their favour.

The US is keeping it's military presence in Europe to serve US strategic interests, yes versus Russia but also with respect to the Middle East. US operations in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan are heavily supported from bases in Europe. Pulling out those bases would cripple US ability to support those operations and project power across large swathes of Euraisa and Africa.

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by bitcurious »

mahkeiro wrote: post #3

A funny things is that we keep hearing about US only tech power, but AMSL (NL), is needed by TSMC (TW) to engrave a reference design by ARM (UK). But US is going one more time to limit EU tech by getting its hand on both ARM and AMSL as they previously did with many EU tech companies... At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend.

On ARM:

> The company was founded in November 1990 as Advanced RISC Machines Ltd and structured as a joint venture between Acorn Computers, Apple Computer (now Apple Inc.) and VLSI Technology.

> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arm_Holdings

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by burntoutfire »

codr7 wrote: post #66
hajile wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> sadly the percentage of the US budget going there decreases by small percentages overall letting politicians on both sides claim they have reduced spending. Even halving the US defense budget won't solve the US deficit issues. I think more US citizens should understand this. Even if the ENTIRE military budget were eliminated, the budget wouldn't put the US in the black. In fact, eliminating EVERYTHING except benefi…

A friend of mine is buying gold. It's a mystery to me how you can sort of see that it's all going down the drain but still insist on believing that you'll be able to sail through it by careful planning. We're all in the same boat here, and it's sinking fast. It doesn't take much of a disaster for money (and gold) to become completely worthless.

Was there ever a time in history (let's say, in the past 2000 years) when gold was worthless though? Barring from super specific events, like trying to escape from a sinking Titanic etc.

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Post by burntoutfire »

mschuster91 wrote: post #28
mahkeiro wrote: post #3

A funny things is that we keep hearing about US only tech power, but AMSL (NL), is needed by TSMC (TW) to engrave a reference design by ARM (UK). But US is going one more time to limit EU tech by getting its hand on both ARM and AMSL as they previously did with many EU tech companies... At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend.

> At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend. While I (as a German) agree that the US imperialism and dominance in high tech is a problem, I would not go as low and say the US is on the same level as China, which is an outright threat to all core values of the Western nations.

US is also a threat to Western values, just look around the world and see how many people hate America. Usually it's because of the pretty bad shit that American government has done to them. Though I agree that being under Chinese or Russian rule seems like an on average worse outcome than the current American dominance.

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by pieterr »

bgorman wrote: post #65
mahkeiro wrote: post #3

A funny things is that we keep hearing about US only tech power, but AMSL (NL), is needed by TSMC (TW) to engrave a reference design by ARM (UK). But US is going one more time to limit EU tech by getting its hand on both ARM and AMSL as they previously did with many EU tech companies... At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend.

Intel, a US company provided ASML the funds to develop their latest technology (EUV). ( https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/intel-and-asml-reac... ) In retrospect, Intel should have insisted on much more onerous terms. There are other suppliers who make photolithography equipment, if ASML went bankrupt, the industry would just fund the competitors.

Your link is from 2012. Five years later, Intel reduced their stake in ASML.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-asml-holding-intel-stake/...

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Post by jdofaz »

Analemma_ wrote: post #54
a5withtrrs wrote: post #20

Cool tech. And I'm all for making integrated circuits and components more dense and space efficient. But I also wish that wouldn't result in the devices getting unreasonably thin/fragile. I'd rather have a sturdier device with 2-3x the battery capacity any day. As it is, I put a bulky case/screen protector and carry a spare battery and cable. Not exactly an ideal solution.

Every generation of the iPhone after the 6 has been thicker, with more battery capacity, than the previous one. Where is this meme about "they just keep making the phones thinner with worse battery life" coming from?

The 8 had 1821 mAh and the 7 had 1960 mAh battery
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