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Enjoy the Best, Not the Latest, Media

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Re: Enjoy the Best, Not the Latest, Media

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> Go by the average rating, not popularity. It’s better to watch something a million people love than something 10 million people watched and consider okay. I agree on the principle, however there’s a trust issue. Out of n reviews on IMDB and RT how many of them are authentic? And how much weight does a critic’s review bear on the overall score? In my case, be it for a movie or a book (not so much for songs though) t…

IMDB is notorious for having BIPOC- or women-lead films average ~1.5-2 points lower than you would expect from reviews (e.g., Metacritic or RT averages). I believe there was a chan-lead op some years ago, but it's also probably just part of the site's culture. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt4975722/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2024544/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1454468/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt5580390/ This is a long-…

Downvotes don't make me any less right.

Re: Enjoy the Best, Not the Latest, Media

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I like sci-fi films with good CGI. Similarly I enjoy electronic music where they push the boundaries in production techniques. This naturally gives newer productions an upper hand when it comes to my taste.

Re: Enjoy the Best, Not the Latest, Media

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post #26

As someone who apparently frequents much more pretentious online film circles than OP, the idea that the highest rated films and shows on IMDB represent the "best" of the mediums is kinda silly. The article uses Star Trek (2009) as its example of a mediocre film. Its IMDB rating is 7.9/10 from over 500k votes over 11 years -- surely this would place the film squarely in the "tried and tested" category. If I look on s…

I don’t think Netflix is entirely at fault. It’s sad how most people seem to be super ok with flushing the past down a toilet. Like anything from before they were born is irrelevant. I think it’s selfish in a way but mostly I think people are terrified of coming across as weird. Like imagine going to work at a generic office and trying to talk about a half forgotten French movie like The Green Ray. There are too many…

> "I don’t expect much from them since they made Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon 2 in English."

that movie was awful, especially in comparison to the original. it had none of the innuendo and poetry, more a punch in the face.

imho, the hollowing out of american film began ~20 years ago, with netflix being just a milestone in that evolution. i've been much more interested in foreign films as a result. i'm currently going through the recent back canon of korean films (take care of my cat, oldboy, mother), and it's been great! reminds me of the 90's in american film--while today's films are technically and visually more sophisticated, storytelling and character development has suffered measurably. older french films (and others) are great for that too. the big american blockbusters are fun to watch in the moment but feel like empty calories afterwards.

Re: Enjoy the Best, Not the Latest, Media

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a movie person, but films like Home Alone, Back To The Future, Ghostbusters etc come to mind. My impression is that they are super hits that span generations because they are so predictable, middle of the road, easy to digest and unable to offend.

They were not predictable when released, which is partly why they became so popular. While none of them are ground breaking avant garde art, they all tweaked what was conventional, accepted and "predictable" in film making of the time. They became middle of the road partly because they helped to define the road.

I suppose we have a different understanding of predictability.

I find most block buster movies very predictable. The end is generally obvious (hint: the good guys win) and they follow a fairly common setup. That's not necessarily bad, you can produce very entertaining movies that way, and they're often very well produced and supreme in technical aspects, but they're not something I'd watch twice and usually not something I recommend to anyone.

Re: Enjoy the Best, Not the Latest, Media

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post #26

As someone who apparently frequents much more pretentious online film circles than OP, the idea that the highest rated films and shows on IMDB represent the "best" of the mediums is kinda silly. The article uses Star Trek (2009) as its example of a mediocre film. Its IMDB rating is 7.9/10 from over 500k votes over 11 years -- surely this would place the film squarely in the "tried and tested" category. If I look on s…

Yeah, agree with the general sentiment of the post, but I think it does not go nearly far enough.

The TV Series rating link: call me old or highbrow but I really thought Rod Serling's "The Twilight Zone" should be in the top 10. Nope, not even in the top 146.

The U.S. "The Office" makes the top 146 (#13) but not the U.K. version.

Fawlty Towers? Nowhere.

Etc.

Re: Enjoy the Best, Not the Latest, Media

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post #26

As someone who apparently frequents much more pretentious online film circles than OP, the idea that the highest rated films and shows on IMDB represent the "best" of the mediums is kinda silly. The article uses Star Trek (2009) as its example of a mediocre film. Its IMDB rating is 7.9/10 from over 500k votes over 11 years -- surely this would place the film squarely in the "tried and tested" category. If I look on s…

I don’t think Netflix is entirely at fault. It’s sad how most people seem to be super ok with flushing the past down a toilet. Like anything from before they were born is irrelevant. I think it’s selfish in a way but mostly I think people are terrified of coming across as weird. Like imagine going to work at a generic office and trying to talk about a half forgotten French movie like The Green Ray. There are too many…

I think part of it is also Netflix's shrinking catalog. Five years ago, before their initial contracts started running out, Netflix was a spot where you to go to watch anything. Netflix could afford to push people to tailored content because they had all the content.

Now, however, those initial contracts have expired, and a host of streaming services have popped up. If I want to find a movie, I need to fire up Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, and Amazon Prime, then run a search on each of them. Half the time, I still fall back to placing a hold at my local library. I don't think Netflix is pushing new shows because they think the new shows are best. I think they are pushing new shows because they are desperately trying to pivot from a streaming company to a production studio, and the only way to do so is to downplay older media.

Re: Enjoy the Best, Not the Latest, Media

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post #26

As someone who apparently frequents much more pretentious online film circles than OP, the idea that the highest rated films and shows on IMDB represent the "best" of the mediums is kinda silly. The article uses Star Trek (2009) as its example of a mediocre film. Its IMDB rating is 7.9/10 from over 500k votes over 11 years -- surely this would place the film squarely in the "tried and tested" category. If I look on s…

Maybe what is needed is an AI engine that you can train on your own tastes, so it can crawl through the literally millions of pieces of media out there to find ones that you are likely to find interesting and enjoy.

Re: Enjoy the Best, Not the Latest, Media

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This is kind of like saying, well we have 100s of years of historical newspapers to read through with far more interesting events, why do we bother reading today's?

In some perverse world I suppose "Star Wars", over 40 years old, is irrelevant since "The Rise of Skywalker" is newer.

Re: Enjoy the Best, Not the Latest, Media

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post #62

> Society’s norms with media and culture are stuck in the pre-Internet days People in society want to have jobs in creative pursuits, and for that they need money, they need people to consume the newest products. So on the other hand, isn't it better to support living people who are incorporating the current times into their art than to support old content where perhaps the creators are dead and won't see the money?

Yes, but it has to good.

Re: Enjoy the Best, Not the Latest, Media

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This is kind of like saying, well we have 100s of years of historical newspapers to read through with far more interesting events, why do we bother reading today's?

In some perverse world I suppose "Star Wars", over 40 years old, is irrelevant since "The Rise of Skywalker" is newer.

Well, most modern fans of Star Wars are far more, if not exclusively, familiar with the movies post Phantom Menace. Many have never even seen the OT.
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