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One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#71
What a crappy framing. No, one guy didn't ruin it! He was just showing people how to do a PR, and since it was a video, he made a small change. He didn't frame it as cheating; he was just trying to get people into Open Source.

Sure, the result is annoying, but it's really unfair to lay this on Harry's feet.

This sucks. Everyone involved who was named is just trying to encourage open source.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#72

[edit: Possibly I'm being too hasty in recommending swearing off Open Source contributions. Go forth and contribute, I suppose :) Leaving my original comment below for completeness.] For other South Asian/Indian people like me, a pessimistic but practical counterpoint to this -- if you happen to be Indian and have a username that marks you as such, just lie low for a bit and don't contribute anything; especially duri…

No reason to lie low, just continue making good, earnest PRs which look nothing like this Hacktoberfest spam.

It's not the username in these examples that's the problem.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#73

It's convenient that Digital Ocean has a scapegoat for 2020 but his video doesn't explain the previous years of spammy pull requests.

Was it much of a problem before this year?

Looking back at all prior HN stories with "hacktoberfest" in the title or with "hacktoberfest" and "spam" in the comments, I can't find any that talk about it being a big problem before this year.

I found one maintainer who said they got a non-negligible number of garbage pull requests for it, but they still said Hacktoberfest was cool. There was also one post about a filter one project adopted a year ago that used heuristics to identify and automatically reject Hacktoberfest pull requests from new submitters that were too trivial.

I'd have expected more if it was a problem to the extent that it seems to be this year.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#75
Isn’t the solution obvious? DO needs to change the rules, so that all this gamification becomes useless.

Either projects opt-in, or they add some qualification to what is an acceptable PR.

Of course the Youtuber has a role in this, but I feel like they’re just playing the game; the real solution needs to come from the source of the problems, which is DO.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#76
post #35

This shows the utility of being able to throttle buggy clients.

But also the difficulty of dealing with distributed buggy/problematic clients. Same reason that fail2ban is less effective against large botnets, password spraying defeats many rate-limits, and abusive NTP use by routers (https://slashdot.org/story/06/04/07/130209/d-link-firmware-a...) is so hard to deal with.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#77

[edit: Possibly I'm being too hasty in recommending swearing off Open Source contributions. Go forth and contribute, I suppose :) Leaving my original comment below for completeness.] For other South Asian/Indian people like me, a pessimistic but practical counterpoint to this -- if you happen to be Indian and have a username that marks you as such, just lie low for a bit and don't contribute anything; especially duri…

> the tradeoff of marketing freebies versus being viewed negatively as a group is and a society is not worth it. The reputation comes from mediocre youtube tutorials, sweatshops like TCS and infosys, bullshit sites like geeksforgeeks, and incidents like this. I am an Indian, and I think I have no right to complain about that reputation.

> I am an Indian, and I think I have no right to complain about that reputation.

I think that we are in agreement regarding that? I have no right to complain about it either.

I can offer advice to bypass Open Source contributions altogether, which would have the side effect of stopping incidents like this. And it's not like projects are starved for README contributions either, coding bootcamps or someone else will pick up the slack.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#79

What a crappy framing. No, one guy didn't ruin it! He was just showing people how to do a PR, and since it was a video, he made a small change. He didn't frame it as cheating; he was just trying to get people into Open Source. Sure, the result is annoying, but it's really unfair to lay this on Harry's feet. This sucks. Everyone involved who was named is just trying to encourage open source.

You are incorrect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9902nonYas

"How to Earn Free T-Shirt, Swag & Goodies Online!"

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#80

Some people are giving him the benefit of doubt because you don't understand hindi. Please don't. This person really did encourage his 600k+ subscribers to spam the PRs in no uncertain words. He explained how developers with swag clothing and brand stickers look cool and get respect. He told people "it won't improve you much as a developer. But hey, free t-shirt swag, and there's a well defined path to get it. I requ…

I don’t know why the protagonist being Indian is something that would be strongly remembered. I’d guess anyone whose audience has more time than money could’ve hatched a scheme like this, regardless of nationality.
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