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Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by dleslie »

joveian wrote: post #70
dleslie wrote: post #30

What's the goal of this campaign? To raise awareness about Firefox's products and increase users? If so, who is the target demographic? The art and style look like they belong on Nickelodian. It's giving me a "Hello, fellow kids" vibe.

It reminds me of GOG's fckdrm.com site, that it looks like has been down for about a month but used to look like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20200817145700/https://fckdrm.co... I guess it wouldn't be down if it was wildly successful. Also, to their credit GOG was promoting DRM-free in general and it wasn't just an ad for GOG but linked to other DRM-free stores, including direct competitors. I see there are a fe…

I'm a big fan of GoG and Bandcamp.

Weirdly, Steam doesn't get enough credit for being DRM-free for many of its games; games that don't ship their own DRM or use Steam CEG are effectively as DRM-free as GoG games are. You can't transfer them out of your account, but you could zip up the folder they reside in and copy it to another machine without problems.

Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by chris_f »

sbmthakur wrote: post #60

Has anyone used Jumbo here? If yes, what's your review? https://desktop.jumboprivacy.com/

It was really difficult to tell what the app actually does from their website. I was interested, but didn't want to have to download it just to find out.

Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by crankycoder1975 »

brokenc0de wrote: post #63
henil2911 wrote: post #21

It makes me sad to see people targeting Mozilla for everything. Like yeah its default browser is Google because that's the way they can pay developers to work on it. For now they are only viable alternative in browser space. Yeah it collects data(only after asking for appropriate permission) which too is anonymous(i might be wrong here). But they are not collecting it to make profit out of it like google. Its only to…

The problem is, so called "anonymized" data is able to identify you (sometimes with very few data points required. Source: https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/24/researchers-spotlight-the-... ). Mozilla advertises Firefox as the browser that doesn't track you, but that's just wrong (since FF has quite a bit of telemetry). And it's on by default, and since people who are new to the privacy mindset may not know about how th…

I used to work at Mozilla until recently and what you're talking about is nonsense. The telemetry data is handled extremely carefully. Any downstream use of that data is also carefully managed so that creating re-identifiable data is not possible.

Could Mozilla reidentify people with raw telemetry - sure. Is it easy or done in practice - no. Shut the hell up unless you know better than someone who has handled that data.

Seriously folks - Mozilla has problems - but proper handling of your private data is not one of them.

Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by mariusor »

ffpip wrote: post #43
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What data is being leaked that can be used to break anonymity?

You click the link. You get an ID assigned to you. You install the app. It calls back home with the ID and a list of specific apps on your Android. This tracking is happens continuously. You have to go to the settings and toggle the data collection off. In case it wasn't clear, I am not complaining. Analytics has its place, but the Unique ID's are a bit much, especially when they want to unfk the internet.

> It calls back home with the ID and a list of specific apps on your Android.

Is this just speculation, or is this visible in the code?

Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by joveian »

dleslie wrote: post #71
joveian wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reminds me of GOG's fckdrm.com site, that it looks like has been down for about a month but used to look like this: https://web.archive.org/web/20200817145700/https://fckdrm.co... I guess it wouldn't be down if it was wildly successful. Also, to their credit GOG was promoting DRM-free in general and it wasn't just an ad for GOG but linked to other DRM-free stores, including direct competitors. I see there are a fe…

I'm a big fan of GoG and Bandcamp. Weirdly, Steam doesn't get enough credit for being DRM-free for many of its games; games that don't ship their own DRM or use Steam CEG are effectively as DRM-free as GoG games are. You can't transfer them out of your account, but you could zip up the folder they reside in and copy it to another machine without problems.

The Steam executable itself is a DRM system, as far as I am aware there is no way to download via the website as there is with GOG (or Humble's DRM free options or other DRM-free sites), so personally I don't consider Steam ever DRM-free.

Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by ffpip »

mariusor wrote: post #74
ffpip wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You click the link. You get an ID assigned to you. You install the app. It calls back home with the ID and a list of specific apps on your Android. This tracking is happens continuously. You have to go to the settings and toggle the data collection off. In case it wasn't clear, I am not complaining. Analytics has its place, but the Unique ID's are a bit much, especially when they want to unfk the internet.

> It calls back home with the ID and a list of specific apps on your Android. Is this just speculation, or is this visible in the code?

It's visible by just checking DNS logs.

https://brave.com/ios-browser-first-run/

Scroll down to Firefox.

Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by dleslie »

joveian wrote: post #75
dleslie wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a big fan of GoG and Bandcamp. Weirdly, Steam doesn't get enough credit for being DRM-free for many of its games; games that don't ship their own DRM or use Steam CEG are effectively as DRM-free as GoG games are. You can't transfer them out of your account, but you could zip up the folder they reside in and copy it to another machine without problems.

The Steam executable itself is a DRM system, as far as I am aware there is no way to download via the website as there is with GOG (or Humble's DRM free options or other DRM-free sites), so personally I don't consider Steam ever DRM-free.

GoG doesn't let you download without a username and password tied to a license. Neither does Humble.

The App is just a cdn api wrapper.

Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by bad_user »

twsted wrote: post #45

I love Firefox but my personal "fight-for-diversity" is carried on through the use of Safari, which I consider the best browser, at least on the Mac. On Linux I use Firefox. On Windows I would use Firefox.

Safari doesn't have the privacy extensions of Firefox (e.g. uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, Multi-Account Containers), or custom search keywords. I use Firefox on iOS actually, because I get to sync my custom search keywords.

Also in my experience, while Safari is very efficient in terms of battery, Firefox has made great improvements in that department and also ... Safari chokes on more than 10 open tabs, whereas Firefox runs just fine with at least 10 times more tabs.

Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by bad_user »

friendlybus wrote: post #49

The solution is to police your own ads and not use some services? It looks like we're out of ideas if the solution is to just use the internet less..

The solution is regulation.

But that could take another decade to materialize, or more, so what do we do until then?

On an individual level, yes, the solution right now is to avoid some services.

Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by tatersolid »

gambler wrote: post #12

Things Mozilla could do right now that would greatly improve our security and privacy: Add anti-fingerprinting tech to the core browser or at least verify one of the existing add-ons that do it. Add PGP/GPG to the core browser. Look into sandboxing. Maybe pick up maintenance of Sanboxie.

> Add PGP/GPG to the core browser.

Please, no. 1990s ball-of-mud insecure crypto with unusable UX?

Pass. We don’t need the browser to be the client for everything. We just got FTP and Gopher removed!

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