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Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by Fnoord »

sdoering wrote: post #52
wutwutwutwut wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any source for that, looks pretty good to me? Been to 30 or so different countries but not entirely sure why traveling abroad is relevant.

You probably won't get a reply. At least a rational one. I experienced similar sentiment here on HN when discussion the topic of freedom a while back. Reporters without borders is probably one of the best sources to evaluate the quality of Freedom of Press worldwide. But for some people arguing that not all is great with their freedom in the US challenges a part of their identity. And that makes rational discussion a…

> As an example: Growing up near the Iron Curtain (on the western side) I believed for a long time, that we were the universally free side, while there was no freedom in the east.

> During the last 10 years or so I realized that there were freedoms on the other side I didn't know of. And have never had in this so called free society.

Mind sharing some examples?

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by ithkuil »

Fnoord wrote: post #71
sdoering wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably won't get a reply. At least a rational one. I experienced similar sentiment here on HN when discussion the topic of freedom a while back. Reporters without borders is probably one of the best sources to evaluate the quality of Freedom of Press worldwide. But for some people arguing that not all is great with their freedom in the US challenges a part of their identity. And that makes rational discussion a…

> As an example: Growing up near the Iron Curtain (on the western side) I believed for a long time, that we were the universally free side, while there was no freedom in the east. > During the last 10 years or so I realized that there were freedoms on the other side I didn't know of. And have never had in this so called free society. Mind sharing some examples?

I think he mentioned indirectly the freedom to have a good education independently on one's parents wealth.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by nindalf »

shi314 wrote: post #70
djsumdog wrote: post #11

I remember visiting India as a kid with my family, and one of my cousins telling me about an America TV series that was banned. I didn't think much of it at the time, but as I've grown older, I've really come to appreciate the freedom of speech we have in America. I just wrote a post about it: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/why-i-no-longer-hate-amer... India is literally the largest democratic country by populati…

Free speech is not about releasing every movie or TV show produced by entitled people. It's about free speech of common people. A person getting fired for a thing he/she commented a decade ago is not free speech. USA has lot to do with free speech which really matters. USA was top country regarding free speech in maybe 1980s but now, it needs to change it's policies to be one.

You’ve made a common mistake - constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech means freedom from the government restricting you from or persecuting you for speech.

That does not mean citizens need to tolerate whatever you say. For example, a commenter on HN might break the rules and get banned by dang. Dang isn’t violating their constitutional rights, because dang/HN isn’t the government. [1]

Similarly, trump the private citizen was free to block people on Twitter. Trump the President was directed by courts to unblock a person because their ability to participate in public discourse had been curtailed by a government official. [2] When Trump is no longer president, he will be free to block anyone once more.

I understand where you’re coming from - you felt that back in the day you were free to say whatever you liked without fear of repercussions from private citizens. I agree but this could be because of a couple of changes

- we store everything that’s said. A passing comment from 10 years ago isn’t stored, but a tweet is.

- society changes what is acceptable to say. There were restrictions at that time as well (the n word could get you fired) but now society also frowns upon a broader range of transgressions.

This is fine, society is entitled to change its mind. 25 years ago only 25% of Americans were supportive of gay rights. Today it’s 67%. [3] You can see how a homophobic slur would be acceptable at that time but not in 2020.

[1] - or are they?! X-Files theme plays

[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-twitter/u-s-asks-su...

[3] https://news.gallup.com/poll/311672/support-sex-marriage-mat...

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by amitheonlyone »

justDankin wrote: post #63

I'm one of the authors of the post, we're trying to extend this work by crowdsourcing censorship measurements from different vantage points in India. We've compiled these tests into an android app, please consider running it if you live in India and would like to contribute to the research :) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.censorwatc... It's completely anonymous, doesn't require any permissions, an…

Do i have to keep it installed or is it a one-off thing

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by ignoramous »

sbmthakur wrote: post #48
ignoramous wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't really need tor or any other VPN for that matter, https://getintra.org/ a DoH client for Android works just fine [0] [0] https://twitter.com/vinifortuna/status/1304189371688660992

Intra also sets up a VPN connection, right?

Yes, but not in the traditional sense, like, say ProtonVPN.com or Psiphon.ca or Latern.io do.

Intra merely captures DNS traffic on port 53 and tunnels it to any DoH endpoint. It circumvents SNI censorship because it essentially sees all TCP and UDP traffic and can manipulate it on-device, and it does so in a way that bypasses most (but not all) censorship implementations.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by signal11 »

walrus01 wrote: post #76

The Indian government has a long and varied track record of messing with the Internet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_India

Wow. From that page

> India leads the world, in the list of Internet Shutdowns. In 2018, as reported by Access Now, out of 196 documented Internet Shutdowns globally, India accounted for 134 of them.[124] The reasons for the shutdowns range from protests and political unrest to elections and exams.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by justDankin »

amitheonlyone wrote: post #74
justDankin wrote: post #63

I'm one of the authors of the post, we're trying to extend this work by crowdsourcing censorship measurements from different vantage points in India. We've compiled these tests into an android app, please consider running it if you live in India and would like to contribute to the research :) https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.censorwatc... It's completely anonymous, doesn't require any permissions, an…

Do i have to keep it installed or is it a one-off thing

You can delete it after running. Each run on an (ISP, state) combination gives a new test point.

Thanks!

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by boruto »

indiablock wrote: post #30

I run a tech company that got randomly blocked in India. There's no way it wasn't some kind of mistake. It's been months and there's no way to find out why and there's no documented method to resolve the problem. While looking into this, it turns out it happens all the time and many websites have been blocked for years. If you're big enough then maybe you can get unblocked. Or you might just be SOL. Some examples: ht…

All three are accessible to me from ACT broadband in tier-3 city. Also work from a VPN on AWS bombay.

Re: Investigating TLS Blocking in India

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Post by walrus01 »

signal11 wrote: post #77
walrus01 wrote: post #76

The Indian government has a long and varied track record of messing with the Internet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_India

Wow. From that page > India leads the world, in the list of Internet Shutdowns. In 2018, as reported by Access Now, out of 196 documented Internet Shutdowns globally, India accounted for 134 of them.[124] The reasons for the shutdowns range from protests and political unrest to elections and exams.

As an ISP or telecom, when large groups of men with guns and uniforms come to your offices and order you to turn off all the routers, you don't have much choice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Jammu_and_Ka...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/indias-int...

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