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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by mdaniel » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 9:40 PM UTC

Symbiote wrote: post #35

ravenstine wrote: post #12

Imagine if you showed up to a self-storage facility one day and find a different lock on your unit. You go to the manager and ask what the hell is going on. > Oh, you ? Yeah, your unit was full of stolen goods, so we seized it and changed the lock. > There was nothing stolen in there! What about a bunch of banged up furniture and old cans of paint made you think it was stolen? (the manager stares blankly) > Well?! (c…

"The data protection law establishes that you have the right not to be subject to a decision based solely on automated means, if the decision produces legal effects concerning you or significantly affects you in a similar way." One of the clauses of the GDPR gives EU residents the right to appeal certain automated decisions that might affect them. https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...

I'm sorry I didn't see your comment earlier, or I would have linked to yours from mine

While I was researching some substantiation for my comment, I noticed that Wikipedia has a citation saying "Why a Right to Explanation of Automated Decision-Making Does Not Exist in the General Data Protection Regulation" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula... ) -- any idea if the footnote is outdated, or perhaps the actual statute is more nuanced than one might think?

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by j4nt4b » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 9:41 PM UTC

katbyte wrote: post #37

laksdjfkasljdf wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you can be part of the solution! Isn't this nice?

being part of the solution doesn't pay the bills

Paying the bills by being part of the problem is a personal decision

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by wishinghand » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 9:42 PM UTC

ainar-g wrote: post #44

deadalus wrote: post #4

Alternative Video Sites : https://lbry.tv/ https://www.dailymotion.com/ https://www.bitchute.com/ https://dlive.tv/ https://bittube.tv/

https://vimeo.com/ ? Although they seem to market themselves more towards the indie filmmaker market.

They have live streaming available now, which is more of a Twitch thing than even a Youtube thing, though YT does offer it.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by ultrarunner » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 9:43 PM UTC

katbyte wrote: post #37

laksdjfkasljdf wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you can be part of the solution! Isn't this nice?

being part of the solution doesn't pay the bills

Neither does being de-platformed.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by lucb1e » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 9:43 PM UTC

katbyte wrote: post #37

laksdjfkasljdf wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you can be part of the solution! Isn't this nice?

being part of the solution doesn't pay the bills

Does it have to? Can we not have content made by whoever feels like it, like many of the articles popular on HN are not for profit, none of the (often insightful) comments are, the plethora of games and tools people create and share for free, etc.?

For professional videos, until there is a law that specifies that a monopoly (currently Google YouTube does seem like the only place where money making is possible) has to follow certain rules, they can throw you out for virtually any reason and it's not a secure way of making a living. So maybe it should be, but it currently isn't, and we can't currently force them to be.

Other platforms may not significantly help one to pay bills, I'm just wondering if that might not be okay given the sheer number of people who seem to have fun doing this. If not, we should make new laws.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by RandallBrown » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 9:45 PM UTC

notacoward wrote: post #68

RandallBrown wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He posts both pure covers as well as lessons. Does he mention in the video that it was his educational videos that were the reason for this?

AIUI the point is that they're being indiscriminate by taking down the whole channel, including potentially both fair-use and non-fair-use items (and even original content).

I mean that sucks, but even without looking into the TOS this seems like the obvious result of any rule that involves multiple "strikes."

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by mcint » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 9:46 PM UTC

throwayws wrote: post #17

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9374251?hl=en > It’s important that creators always have detailed knowledge about who is claiming content in their videos, where it appears, and what they can do to resolve the claim. That’s why all new manual claims will require copyright owners to provide timestamps to indicate exactly where their copyrighted content appears in videos they claim, and we’ve updated our editi…

> all new manual claims

It must not be a manual complaint. That's some nice PR-Legalese.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by bsder » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 9:46 PM UTC

wlll wrote: post #31

deadalus wrote: post #4

Alternative Video Sites : https://lbry.tv/ https://www.dailymotion.com/ https://www.bitchute.com/ https://dlive.tv/ https://bittube.tv/

What's the audience like on those? I assume pretty small compared to YouTube.

Getting taken down on YouTube means you have an audience of zero.

So, bigger than that.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by beauzero » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 9:47 PM UTC

nfriedly wrote: post #23

Ashanmaril wrote: post #5

Youtube is just so beyond broken at this point. I wish everyone could move somewhere else, but it's a catch 22. They're so cemented as the standard

I've been starting to watch things on nebula. There's a lot less content than youtube, but what's there is top notch.

As soon as they have the 4k Relaxation Channel (on youtube) content I am there. One monitor is always dedicated to it and I currently pay Google so that I don't get work inappropriate ads playing. It would save me money.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by joe463369 » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 9:47 PM UTC

notacoward wrote: post #50

RandallBrown wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I know, covers aren't fair use. https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/posting-cover-songs-on-yo... Thousands (millions?) of people post covers on YouTube with no issue, but sometimes people get unlucky. I don't think monetization makes a difference in the eyes of the law (maybe it would for proving damages? I'm not a lawyer.) What's unusual is that he said he got 5 copyright strikes without telling him why. I'…

Covers might not be fair use, but teaching is. https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107

Sounds like it's a factor but not necessarily a deciding one. Also, the phrase used is "nonprofit educational purposes" so if he's got ads enabled he may be out of luck.