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I'm an avid listener of the ambient/noise/experimental genres and have experienced a "trace-like" state on a few occasions; I've always attributed this to the repetitive characteristic(s) of the song in question. examples that come to mind: Zoviet France - Cycloptic Sub Alien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVz2qCvjPDg Zoviet France - Mohnomishe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsBD-pUO4GI Laraaji - The Dance #1: ht…
Sitting In a Room - Alvin Lucier https://youtu.be/bhtO4DsSazc
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https://youtu.be/D-mw9FJ7yec This is from the 50s-60s.
So should I get in a trance state listening to this?
In my experience with trying to meditate to rhythms it takes fifteen minutes to half an hour before you really notice a significant difference to meditation without it.
Also, "should" is not really the right word to use here - I would go with "might".
What I mean with that is that this isn't like a pill whose are chemicals will do its on their own after consumption, with or without thinking about them. It's an effect that is produced through a sensory interaction with the brain. As a result, how one consciously attends to that interaction has a huge impact on the effectiveness.
Once I got a chance to visit an interior south Indian village and experience this firsthand. Having been there, I don't think all of it is intentional faking. The whole atmosphere, the music with its drum rhythms (Udukkai) and a raising crescendo are all designed to put a person into a sort of reverential trance. Even for me, it was a feeling unlike anything I experienced before. It is quite possible that brought up on that folklore and more sensitive to such triggers would experience an extra-corporeal sensation (like the one described in the article) and attribute it to divine presence. And at the culmination of event, when goddess is said to leave the body, the possessed person often faints after an epileptic fit. This was also mentioned in the report. To me, this is neurological programming perfected over generations... but to what avail I don't know.
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Something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e8bUyC55cc
Woah woah woah you can’t just offer ketamine to people! Think of the children! Edit: This comment is intended to contribute to the discussion as well as be in jest. It’s a legitimate issue: if music can have drug-like effects, should some music be classed as a drug and controlled as such?
This immediately reminded me of Ghost in the Shell. It seems like this is something that could be used as a weapon. If so, I hope it's being properly protected. You used to have to have a pacemaker or epilepsly, but now everyone is vulnerable to hacking?
Well, it does require electrodes to be implanted in the brain...
I feel it as a kind of time discontinuity, as if parts of my experience were running at different speeds. It's not very pleasant, but also not overpowering. Pretty rare, these days.
I always thought that there is a specific cadence or rhythm to the human mind and I would create some music (or sequence of tones) that would get people addicted and I would sell it on a per-listen basis and make trillions.
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It would be great if you could link to a recording that you think could induce this state, given that you’re an expert in this field! If I’m left to search on my own I’m not sure I’ll find the correct recording.
Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxboZrFcvRo& Give it your entire attention.
But I will say this is just genuinely good music.
I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…
There was an interesting section in Michael Pollan's book "How to Change Your Mind" about combining breathwork with drumming. It seems with the right setup that you can induce certain altered states of consciousness that are pretty equivalent to certain psychedelics. I'm definitely interested in seeing what can be done to without the aid of drugs. As someone who had some bad trips that gave me 6 months of anxiety, a…
On the other hand when trying to calm my mind after a busy day there is nothing better.