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Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by xenospn »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #25
patrickaljord wrote: post #20

> We are confident our proposal would have been good for TikTok’s users, while protecting national security interests Does anyone seriously believe TikTok is a threat to national security? > combatting disinformation There you have it. I've seen TikTok videos go viral being really critical of the US government including its foreign policy. The kind of video that would just be invisible or outright banned from Youtube…

>Does anyone seriously believe TikTok is a threat to national security? Everyone who believes Facebook was used to influence the 2016 election should believe TikTok poses a similar threat. I'd agree that the threat is overblown, but many serious people, in good faith, seriously believe it.

You think the threat of hyper-targeted propaganda is overblown? Can you elaborate on that?

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by mistermann »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #60
patrickaljord wrote: post #20

> We are confident our proposal would have been good for TikTok’s users, while protecting national security interests Does anyone seriously believe TikTok is a threat to national security? > combatting disinformation There you have it. I've seen TikTok videos go viral being really critical of the US government including its foreign policy. The kind of video that would just be invisible or outright banned from Youtube…

> There you have it. I've seen TikTok videos go viral being really critical of the US government including its foreign policy. The kind of video that would just be invisible or outright banned from Youtube or Facebook video. That's why they want to get rid of it. Videos such as? Seems to me that the kind of videos banned on Youtube, Twitter or Facebook aren't really the ones that are really critical of the US governm…

I'm not saying this went viral, but I did encounter it while just normally browsing TikTok.

https://www.tiktok.com/@jperkinsauthor/video/686526224212490...

I think the US has more than a few skeletons in its closet that they'd prefer remain there, so having a means of exerting control over popular platforms seems like plain old common sense.

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by lowiqengineer »

ericmay wrote: post #55
echelon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen the anti-US sentiment being stoked on TikTok among our nation's zoomers? " All buildings matter " and " all days in September matter " are just two recent memes from the past month. TikTok is doing a lot of harm to our national image. Zoomers that I know don't think it's important for the US to have a lead in tech and that we commit atrocities worse than China. It's pretty alarming that we're being mani…

You’re probably right based on the amount of downvotes you’re getting. I don’t use TikTok or much in the way of social media, but if you’re saying it’s true, with a reasonable conjecture and you’re getting downvoted I think the probability of you being correct is increased. It’s not so much that you actually are right, but that you’re exposing a contrarian idea that doesn’t align with either CCP apologists or certain…

Are you advocating censorship? So much for the tolerant right!

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by TMWNN »

JonathanFly wrote: post #57
ericmay wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the main issue is this: The US views Chinese social media apps as being able to spread criticism (and most likely propaganda) and the US can’t do likewise in China, so they’ll just not let Chinese social media companies operate in the US until that changes. There will be 0 official, influential Chinese social media companies operating in the US on a permanent basis until the CCP let’s US social media companie…

>I think the main issue is this: >The US views Chinese social media apps as being able to spread criticism (and most likely propaganda) and the US can’t do likewise in China, so they’ll just not let Chinese social media companies operate in the US until that changes. Then why force them to sell to a US company specifically. Why wasn't Germany or any EU company with strong privacy laws allowed to buy them?

>Then why force them to sell to a US company specifically. Why wasn't Germany or any EU company with strong privacy laws allowed to buy them?

There is no one outside the US with both the tech skills and the cash to buy something the size of TikTok. Heck, there are very few in the US (adding the third requirement of no antitrust concerns).

If TikTok were a Canadian, British, French, German, Korean, Japanese, or Taiwanese company, the US government wouldn't have intervened in the first place.

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by lowiqengineer »

echelon wrote: post #51
ericmay wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the main issue is this: The US views Chinese social media apps as being able to spread criticism (and most likely propaganda) and the US can’t do likewise in China, so they’ll just not let Chinese social media companies operate in the US until that changes. There will be 0 official, influential Chinese social media companies operating in the US on a permanent basis until the CCP let’s US social media companie…

Have you seen the anti-US sentiment being stoked on TikTok among our nation's zoomers? " All buildings matter " and " all days in September matter " are just two recent memes from the past month. TikTok is doing a lot of harm to our national image. Zoomers that I know don't think it's important for the US to have a lead in tech and that we commit atrocities worse than China. It's pretty alarming that we're being mani…

I think the problem is the people you know are idiots, not that TikTok is spreading antiAmerican propaganda. I’ve also seen QAnon propaganda and anti-Biden conspiracy theories on TikTok - the problem is that children are stupid. Maybe you should educate the ones you know instead of placing the blame on an app?

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by TMWNN »

DethNinja wrote: post #14

So basically if you want to serve the USA market, you have to give up the shares of your company to ruling class of USA? This is eerily similar to how communist China operates.

If TikTok were a Canadian, British, French, German, Korean, Japanese, or Taiwanese company, the US government wouldn't have intervened in the first place. It's mainland China that concerns people and governments.

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by azemetre »

bovermyer wrote: post #15
bythe4mile wrote: post #11

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It does look like it. https://www.wsj.com/articles/microsoft-drops-out-of-bidding-...

That's... disappointing. While Amazon may be the reigning modern incarnation of evil, Oracle has held that title for longer.

Is Oracle evil? I thought they were just shrewd business people and not stewards of OSS. I know they have a terrible history in open source but what are some of the evil act’s they’ve done?

Just genuinely curious. I’m a dev that’s only been around the last decade or so. Wasn’t around when they gained prominence.

Re: Microsoft Statement on TikTok

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Post by refurb »

DethNinja wrote: post #23
ericmay wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far it’s only been communist Chinese companies that have had to go through this (to my knowledge) in recent times. Tit for tat and al that. Maybe if China let Facebook, Twitter, etc operate then we wouldn’t have this problem.

There is no such thing as tit for a tat in a civilisation with rule of law. Either USA had privacy laws that forbid Tik Tok from participating in USA marketplace or USA doesn’t have rule of law and operates under some form of dictatorship.

"Rule of law"? This is international relations. What "laws" do you speak of?
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