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The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by Finnucane »

nicwolff wrote: post #49
Shivetya wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show me one in the last generation or two that did? Who harassed more journalist and whistle blowers during their time in office, Trump or Obama. Neither was great but the prior administration set new standards for threatening those who would make government justify its actions. The difference is one was a media darling and the other is a media flashpoint

No contest: Trump harasses journalists at every rally – by now, hundreds or thousands of them. And whistle blowers? He fired Lt. Colonel Alexander Vindman and his brother after Vindman testified. His lackeys in the House exposed the IRS whistleblower by name.

It’s true that Obama was pretty agressive about prosecuting whistleblowers, but it also true that no president in modern times before the Donald has called the press ‘the enemy of the people’ and calls every criticism of him ‘fake news’.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by ultrarunner »

glitcher wrote: post #62

One thing I've always wondered about when it comes to the temporary nature of US presidential terms and their respective administrations - why does it seem like it's so much easier to dismantle things than to create them in the first place? Especially for things that took a substantial amount of time and effort to build, shouldn't we require much more scrutiny before considering an action that effectively dismantles/…

If this were true wouldn't the size and scope of governments decline over time? I'm quite confident that there are more governmental organizations in the US than I could name, and each one of them have numerous programs. Indeed there have been entire agencies created in my lifetime, but despite the calls to defund or abolish some, I can't think of one that's closed.

(caveat: you said "things" which I took to mean something like "governmental products" which tend to have a high amount of inertia; if you had something else in mind this may not apply)

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by [deleted] »

ch4s3 wrote: post #54
nicwolff wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No contest: Trump harasses journalists at every rally – by now, hundreds or thousands of them. And whistle blowers? He fired Lt. Colonel Alexander Vindman and his brother after Vindman testified. His lackeys in the House exposed the IRS whistleblower by name.

I don't really have a stake here, and voted for Obama but he and his justice department prosecuted a record number of journalists. To quote the Washington Post "Of the 13 people who have" (ever) "been prosecuted under the Espionage Act for leaking secrets, eight were arrested under Obama's administration"

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Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by matt_kantor »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #63
klyrs wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only, you're not cleaning a garage, you're a tin-pot dictator and you control the budget of a newspaper which has recently covered a narrative that you don't like.

The article did not mention that they covered a narrative that Trump disliked. Where did you get that from?

> https://www.stripes.com/news/us/trump-denies-reports-that-he...

> A few days ago they also ran a story about a poll showing Trump lagging Biden among the military.

Thanks to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24375564

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by barnesto »

Finnucane wrote: post #27

"Stars and Stripes embodies that most American of values: the right to speak truth to power." Which is the last the thing current administration wants anyone to be able to do.

Said the poster who mostly likely never served a day in the military or read one word from S&S.

I've done both. More than once, actually. Both the Military Times and S&S suffer from the same bias as MSM. One down, potentially, and one to go in my mind.

I also don't think taxpayer money should be going to VOA or PBS or NPR for the very same reasons. And don't think most of the military doesn't feel the same way. Most people that serve are conservative leaning and can see right through the bs.

But orange man bad, I get it.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by krapp »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #55
krapp wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No more or less than any other demographic. If it's that important, someone can put up a website or find another publisher or something.

Not saying whether this is a good idea or not, but soldiers on the front lines don’t always have internet, and, as such, can’t access internet news.

I feel like if it was mission critical, they would find a way to make it work. Fund a print publisher through the black-ops budget, launch some wireless satellites or something.

I also feel like they can do without, all else being equal. Not being able to read a magazine isn't the end of the world.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by sneak »

barnesto wrote: post #75
Finnucane wrote: post #27

"Stars and Stripes embodies that most American of values: the right to speak truth to power." Which is the last the thing current administration wants anyone to be able to do.

Said the poster who mostly likely never served a day in the military or read one word from S&S. I've done both. More than once, actually. Both the Military Times and S&S suffer from the same bias as MSM. One down, potentially, and one to go in my mind. I also don't think taxpayer money should be going to VOA or PBS or NPR for the very same reasons. And don't think most of the military doesn't feel the same way. Most…

I think your comment may have been fine without the last line, which discards your cogent and reasonable argument up to that point and invites the world to engage in a culture war brawl that benefits no one.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by paulgb »

barnesto wrote: post #75
Finnucane wrote: post #27

"Stars and Stripes embodies that most American of values: the right to speak truth to power." Which is the last the thing current administration wants anyone to be able to do.

Said the poster who mostly likely never served a day in the military or read one word from S&S. I've done both. More than once, actually. Both the Military Times and S&S suffer from the same bias as MSM. One down, potentially, and one to go in my mind. I also don't think taxpayer money should be going to VOA or PBS or NPR for the very same reasons. And don't think most of the military doesn't feel the same way. Most…

Thanks for your service. Out of curiosity, where do you get your news?

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by barnesto »

sneak wrote: post #77
barnesto wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Said the poster who mostly likely never served a day in the military or read one word from S&S. I've done both. More than once, actually. Both the Military Times and S&S suffer from the same bias as MSM. One down, potentially, and one to go in my mind. I also don't think taxpayer money should be going to VOA or PBS or NPR for the very same reasons. And don't think most of the military doesn't feel the same way. Most…

I think your comment may have been fine without the last line, which discards your cogent and reasonable argument up to that point and invites the world to engage in a culture war brawl that benefits no one.

just responding to OPs last sentence. two-way street, friend.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by Finnucane »

nicwolff wrote: post #49
Shivetya wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show me one in the last generation or two that did? Who harassed more journalist and whistle blowers during their time in office, Trump or Obama. Neither was great but the prior administration set new standards for threatening those who would make government justify its actions. The difference is one was a media darling and the other is a media flashpoint

No contest: Trump harasses journalists at every rally – by now, hundreds or thousands of them. And whistle blowers? He fired Lt. Colonel Alexander Vindman and his brother after Vindman testified. His lackeys in the House exposed the IRS whistleblower by name.

And in addition, Vindman wasn’t prosecuted for leaking secrets. He was fired in retribution for giving testimony before Congress, a completely legal thing to do.
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