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India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by searchableguy »

ffpip wrote: post #55
searchableguy wrote: post #43

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I expect this to increase prices for chinese phones. It is well known that xiaomi operates on thin margin so they can push their IT services and recoup the cost.

> IT services Ads in default apps, user data collection and selling the said collected data.

> Ads in default apps, user data collection and selling the said collected data.

That's almost everyone. Yesterday, I opened a brand new budget samsung phone. Despite not logging in anything and declining every box I could, it was automatically filled with invasive apps. It came with made in India sticker.

At least with xiaomi, I can flash it with a custom rom and remove the bloatware. Many alternatives lock down their phone.

The other phones that I would trust are expensive and out of reach for many Indians such as the pixel (their last device was banned in India).

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by fma »

balola wrote: post #64
fma wrote: post #19

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You can say the same about Facebook and Google in China...You can sideload or use VPN. Some do. Most don't. Blocking FB & Google ecosystems allowed for China to grow their own competitors.

The thing is, there's hardly anything outside GFW that an average Chinese would want, local alternatives often are feature rich and considered "more advanced", outside news are dismissed as "obscenely fake and hostile". In the few Chinese that do pay for VPNs, most women use it to access Instagram for celebrities, most men for porn on Twitter.

You're talking about the ecosystem in 2020, after the market is mature.

Facebook was blocked by China in 2009. WeChat wasn't even started till 2011.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by d3nj4l »

shklnrj wrote: post #30
throwaway4good wrote: post #14

Where is the Indian opposition on this? Are they fully behind Modi's nationalism? There is a raging pandemic. Massive recession. Potential war with China. Internet bans. Crackdown in Kashmir. There has to be some questions?

This is not related to any nationalism. Its the response of a sovereign nation in order to secure the data of its citizens which might face 'potential war with China'. Its logical. If you apply logic.

> This is not related to any nationalism.

> Its the response of a sovereign nation in order to secure the data of its citizens which.

That's... contradictory?

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by d3nj4l »

sremani wrote: post #36
throwaway4good wrote: post #14

Where is the Indian opposition on this? Are they fully behind Modi's nationalism? There is a raging pandemic. Massive recession. Potential war with China. Internet bans. Crackdown in Kashmir. There has to be some questions?

If it is pure unadulterated nationalism, only one country would not be targeted. It is fair to say, China is a Clear and Present danger to Indian Union and in a war-like state banning games should not be that controversial. You do not want to fund the bullets being shot at your soldiers as much as possible.

Nationalist countries often have "the enemy". It used to be Pakistan for India until very recently. Now it's China, only because of recent events, and there aren't very many Pakistani apps to ban either.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by Spivak »

ffpip wrote: post #55
searchableguy wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect this to increase prices for chinese phones. It is well known that xiaomi operates on thin margin so they can push their IT services and recoup the cost.

> IT services Ads in default apps, user data collection and selling the said collected data.

Yep, it's pretty much the only way TV manufacturer's are able to compete these days too. I wish these kinds of things were considered market failures because if a gov't came in and forced the whole market to stop TVs would get a little more expensive but now they wouldn't feel like they had to sell their users out because everyone else is.

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Post by ffpip »

searchableguy wrote: post #71
ffpip wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IT services Ads in default apps, user data collection and selling the said collected data.

> Ads in default apps, user data collection and selling the said collected data. That's almost everyone. Yesterday, I opened a brand new budget samsung phone. Despite not logging in anything and declining every box I could, it was automatically filled with invasive apps. It came with made in India sticker. At least with xiaomi, I can flash it with a custom rom and remove the bloatware. Many alternatives lock down the…

Samsung budget phones have unlockable bootloader too?

Yes. I do know that. Even I use a custom rom on a redmi phone

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by Spivak »

searchableguy wrote: post #71
ffpip wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IT services Ads in default apps, user data collection and selling the said collected data.

> Ads in default apps, user data collection and selling the said collected data. That's almost everyone. Yesterday, I opened a brand new budget samsung phone. Despite not logging in anything and declining every box I could, it was automatically filled with invasive apps. It came with made in India sticker. At least with xiaomi, I can flash it with a custom rom and remove the bloatware. Many alternatives lock down the…

I flashed my old Samsung phones a just a few years ago. Did something change and they finally lock the bootloaders permanently?

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by searchableguy »

ffpip wrote: post #76
searchableguy wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ads in default apps, user data collection and selling the said collected data. That's almost everyone. Yesterday, I opened a brand new budget samsung phone. Despite not logging in anything and declining every box I could, it was automatically filled with invasive apps. It came with made in India sticker. At least with xiaomi, I can flash it with a custom rom and remove the bloatware. Many alternatives lock down the…

Samsung budget phones have unlockable bootloader too? Yes. I do know that. Even I use a custom rom on a redmi phone

> Samsung budget phones have unlockable bootloader too?

Not consistently and many don't have much support in the ROM market anymore.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by d3nj4l »

castis wrote: post #69
ffpip wrote: post #37

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You severely underestimate how Indian teens are addicted to PUBG. Kids have spent lakhs of their parents rupees on it. [1] Some have even dies due to addiction. [2] [1]- https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/delhi/2020/aug/17/pu... [2] - https://www.scoopwhoop.com/news/16-year-old-addicted-to-pubg... There are many more. I just gave a single example.

I dont think I do though. Video game-addicted teens dont constitute 'most' of the Indian population.

Video game addicted young adults with a vendetta against the government could turn out and vote against it, though I wouldn't hold my breath for that.

Re: India bans PUBG, Baidu and more than 100 apps linked to China

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Post by ra7 »

dash2 wrote: post #51
screye wrote: post #46

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The average Indian loves Modi. He is India's most liked leader since Indira. How people are looking at it: > raging pandemic It is not his fault. (to some extent they are correct. Covid and India, was like lighting a match in a haystack. Central Govt.'s response to Covid has been far less shambolic than the numbers make it look) > Massive recession Modi gets to blame it on Covid. Demonetization and an unclear fiscal…

Very interesting comment but I think the bit about Kashmir is naïve. Kashmir doesn’t want to reintegrate (“re”?) and India’s move here has been much like China’s in Hong Kong - a deliberate, authoritarian takeover.

Kashmir's history is much more complex and nothing like Hong Kong. The comparison doesn't make sense.
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