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Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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How are the alternatives. Although i will miss my collection of books but I'm going to be in the market for the next ebook reader.

My favourite ebook reader is:

Aluratech black and white https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e2WoVRsap9Q

No drm, suppported all formats, held a charge for a week. No internet. Fits in jeans pocket.

It came out in 2009... I wish they still made them.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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As a former Kindle developer, I can say that most of what's mentioned in this article are metrics used to understand how the features are used (bookmarks, highlights, dictionnary, etc.), how much they are used, and in which country. This allows the teams to focus on features that are actively used, and sometimes lead to discontinuing features that see little to no use. Hope that helps.

I think the privacy-concerned end-user thinks, "Yes, I completely understand why this information is being tracked and how it would be useful to Amazon. But I still don't like it."

Or "It's all fine and dandy today, but what about in x years when there's a new person/group with different incentives in charge?"

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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As a former Kindle developer, I can say that most of what's mentioned in this article are metrics used to understand how the features are used (bookmarks, highlights, dictionnary, etc.), how much they are used, and in which country. This allows the teams to focus on features that are actively used, and sometimes lead to discontinuing features that see little to no use. Hope that helps.

IP address, country, goodread account details, each page turn, exact page location, etc., seem unnecessary for that.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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As a former Kindle developer, I can say that most of what's mentioned in this article are metrics used to understand how the features are used (bookmarks, highlights, dictionnary, etc.), how much they are used, and in which country. This allows the teams to focus on features that are actively used, and sometimes lead to discontinuing features that see little to no use. Hope that helps.

Yeah I came here to say the same. I'm about as tin-foil-paranoid-privacy-all-the-things as they come, but the "invasive" data mentioned in the post don't seem particularly invasive to me, and collecting that data seems perfectly appropriate for the purposes you mentioned. With all that said, I do dream of a PINE64 E Ink device (or something that's open and hackable).

> don't seem particularly invasive to me, and collecting that data seems perfectly appropriate for the purposes you mentioned.

Fine. So you allow them to collect it. However, don't decide for others if it's "invasive" or "perfectly appropriate" for them or not. Do it opt-in such that people who wants to share their data could do that.

Oh yeah, and offer them payment for that. They deserve it.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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Just use airplane mode? Will also increase the battery life.

From the article:

> Each request also isn't sent as soon as it's generated. A number of these records are created and stored locally, then uploaded (note the sequence_number field). Even if a person is offline while reading, this data is stored and sent when reconnected.

That being said, if you leave airplane mode on permanently and sideload books, you should be fine.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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As a former Kindle developer, I can say that most of what's mentioned in this article are metrics used to understand how the features are used (bookmarks, highlights, dictionnary, etc.), how much they are used, and in which country. This allows the teams to focus on features that are actively used, and sometimes lead to discontinuing features that see little to no use. Hope that helps.

As many people here have echoed - this boils down to the fact the data is being captured without an opt out.

I don't doubt the developers are using it for 'morally acceptable' purposes, but I don't trust Amazon not to abuse that data later down the line!

I really don't feel that anyone needs to know precisely what pages I have viewed in a specific book.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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Why would you leave on wifi on an e-ink kindle, when not actively downloading a book? The battery lasts 3-4x as long with it disabled (on my 3rd gen device at least). I doubt most users need a real-time sync of their book location to the cloud, unless they read on multiple devices. Also, if you use the kindle to get loaned/library books on this particular model, they aren't removed even if the due-date is exceeded un…

> Why would you leave on wifi on an e-ink kindle, when not actively downloading a book? One of the much-advertised features of the Kindle is its ability to highlight a word and look it up against a dictionary, against Wikipedia, or against the web.

You don't need internet connectivity on the Kindle to look up a word in a dictionary. The Kindle supports dictionaries in Mobipocket format, so the dictionary lives right on the device. It is easy to find .mobi dictionaries for major languages freely available from torrent communities.

Using the Kindle's Wikipedia function actually requires going through Amazon's servers and is a privacy violation, so I would not recommend users do that.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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I'm sure someone like me always has the same "hot take" in every thread regarding this, but I honestly still love reading physical books. After spending a day weary of interacting with screens all day, there is something nice about tapping in to this activity that humans have done for hundreds of years. Sure, e-ink is easier on the eyes, but isolating myself with a good book can be a near spiritual experience.

I love reading physical books too, the user experience of them is so much nicer.

I also like to go back to re-read books. With non-fiction I'll often want to go back to reference or quote something, and with fiction I love reimmersing myself in the worlds the author's create.

I've amassed quite a little library of books that I still enjoy having access to and it's lovely. But it's also /terribly/ inconvenient to move to a new apartment. It's also quite annoying when I'm visiting a place, and I'd love to pull up a favourite story but didn't think to bring it with me.

I've started moving to a hybrid solution - My absolute favourite stories I keep in paper because I enjoy the feel, but for most books having them digitally much nicer.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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As a former Kindle developer, I can say that most of what's mentioned in this article are metrics used to understand how the features are used (bookmarks, highlights, dictionnary, etc.), how much they are used, and in which country. This allows the teams to focus on features that are actively used, and sometimes lead to discontinuing features that see little to no use. Hope that helps.

How does it make a difference? First, if an entity want my input and are going to use it, they should be decent enough to pay me for giving it. Why do users need to work for free for Amazon? Second, is it opt-in? If not, then there's an ethical issue here, even if a manual opt-out option is given (does it?). If there's no opt-out, there's a double ethical issue. Thirdly, is this data deleted once it's being used for…

You don't. You have 100% freedom to not work for Amazon. Don't buy a kindle. Don't use a kindle.
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