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Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

mc32 wrote: post #70
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump has continually let Russia do as it pleases, he kowtowed in Syria to Putin, he kowtowed by threatening to constantly defund NATO, he kowtowed in Crimea. The facts are just too obvious. Trump is pro-Russia, he's done nothing but allow it to expand and influence US elections, too.

How is asking for fair proportional funding of european defense something we should be responsible for? I understand we benefit from that too, but why should we carry the burden more than the direct beneficiaries?

The US benefits more from its forward bases in Europe than the European countries do. This isn't 1976. Russia isn't a direct military threat at this point in time.

In south east asia the argument can be seen differently - but even so, the US protects SK, Japan, Taiwan, and Australia to keep open the South China Sea. If that benefit disappeared the US wouldn't be as vigorous in its defense.

The reason presidents prior kept NATO together was because it is an extremely strong alliance that can protect each other's economic interests. If the US loses NATO now, they are simply no longer hegemon.

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by mc32 »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #71
mc32 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is asking for fair proportional funding of european defense something we should be responsible for? I understand we benefit from that too, but why should we carry the burden more than the direct beneficiaries?

The US benefits more from its forward bases in Europe than the European countries do. This isn't 1976. Russia isn't a direct military threat at this point in time. In south east asia the argument can be seen differently - but even so, the US protects SK, Japan, Taiwan, and Australia to keep open the South China Sea. If that benefit disappeared the US wouldn't be as vigorous in its defense. The reason presidents prior…

That’s all good but what’s wrong with fair proportionate funding? It’s not like the EU doesn’t benefit the same we do.

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by hirundo »

Dear President Trump: Please

1. Pardon Snowden 2. Commission a statue of him, perhaps to replace Columbus on a plinth somewhere 3. Award him the Medal of Freedom 4. Appoint him as the Director of the National Security Agency

In return I'll vote for you. Such a deal.

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by squarefoot »

jhawk28 wrote: post #31
squarefoot wrote: post #22

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He's the same guy who endorsed the use of hydroxychloroquine as Covid-19 treatment by falsely claiming that it was safe and the FDA had approved it, and at least one person died after following his advice, so no surprise at all. He says what at the moment brings more approval without any care of the consequences. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/03/23/man-dead-... ps. to 45' fanboys: a nice side effect of…

I don't think drinking fish tank cleaner constitutes following his advice.

Not directly for sure, and as another HNer wrote there's some Darwin involved. I didn't know there had been an investigation for possible murder, so thanks to all HNers who pointed it out. It seems however from the latest articles I could find that the murder suspicion has been dismissed and the man death ruled as an accident. What however is strange is that the couple worked both at John Deere, and the man was an engineer with a high degree of education, which doesn't seem that compatible with the level of stupidity needed to drink a fish tank cleaner.

Unrelated, but looking around i found that the two once sued their employer for sex and age discrimination against the wife. https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20140721507

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by sharkmerry »

p7hwfizeONj wrote: post #52
sharkmerry wrote: post #48

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Changing your mind or evolving your opinion is just "flip-flopping"?

There was enough written about this specific issue to suggest it might be political opportunism. Of course it's also not fair to not let people actually change their mind. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-trade... Maybe flip-flopping is too loaded of a word and I shouldn't have used it.

Respectfully, there are a couple examples of loaded-ness in your original comment.

>> Clinton's de-endorsement was probably not genuine

From the article you linked, this is what she said "Although Clinton had traveled the world in support of TPP as President Barack Obama’s secretary of state, she told the “PBS Newshour” that the final agreement didn’t meet the “high bar” she set for the pact."

Sounds like she still liked the idea, but the agreement wasnt to her liking.

>>My main point is that an issue that was popular on the left (enough for Clinton to flip-flop on) seems to now be mostly the voices of the left criticizing the withdraw.

Again, if more info came out and people changed their mind, you seem to be villifying it and declaring it a "left" problem. (which it may be, but you're asserting with an anecdote on what you've noticed)

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by dang »

dencodev wrote: post #60
slg wrote: post #45

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Manning stood to face her her crimes like a long line of revered civil disobedients before her. Snowden ran away into the arms of a hostile foreign power. That has just as much to do with pissing off the government as what either of them revealed.

The laws that would out Snowden and Manning in prison for life are unjust and there's nothing wrong with what either of them did. I don't blame Snowden for leaving a country full of idiots calling for his death

Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. Your comment would be fine without the swipe at the end.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by meragrin_ »

squarefoot wrote: post #22
Barrin92 wrote: post #2

>In a 2013 tweet, Trump wrote: “Snowden is a spy who should be executed-but if it and he could reveal Obama’s records, I might become a major fan.” good god, that's one of the most Trumpish Trump tweets ever.

He's the same guy who endorsed the use of hydroxychloroquine as Covid-19 treatment by falsely claiming that it was safe and the FDA had approved it, and at least one person died after following his advice, so no surprise at all. He says what at the moment brings more approval without any care of the consequences. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/03/23/man-dead-... ps. to 45' fanboys: a nice side effect of…

Hydroxychloroquine is safe.

https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/Hydroxyc...

Re: Trump: 'A lot of people' think Edward Snowden 'not being treated fairly'

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Post by e15ctr0n »

Shivetya wrote: post #29
bovermyer wrote: post #16

That sounds suspiciously like he's considering pardoning Snowden. Also... going from calling for Snowden's execution to potentially pardoning him is one hell of a 180.

I would love him to do so. We really need another wake up call in this country that the government routinely lies to us and that trusting our officials requires them proving they can be trusted. Remember, Snowden has been out of this country since May of 2013 and the last Administration did not pardon him but instead did pardon Manning whose actions were more reckless. It really comes down to the fact Snowden really…

> last Administration did not pardon him but instead did pardon Manning

Manning was NOT pardoned. Her sentence was commuted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_manning#Commutation

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