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Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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willvarfar wrote: post #66
clomond wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascinating analogy. Given the fundamental differences between corporations and governments (and the span of control they have over people’s lives) I do not believe this analogy can be used for any useful inference. It’s almost as if this example with app stores is an incredibly specific, narrow example, and government control in this way is incredibly broad in impact (I.e. life or death, end of the actual world etc)…

It’s harder to draw a government corporate distinction while replying to a comment specifically mentioning China and the US? Are the big Chinese tech companies independent of their government? And are the US companies exploring bidding for tiktok etc doing so because the US government is coercing them?

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Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

kanobo wrote: post #7

Apple and Google are similar to China and America. Apple has more restrictive policies within a walled garden. Google gives more freedoms but its platform is wild and open. It's easy for Apple to take advantage of Google's ecosystem and open policies, but very difficult for Google to do the same to Apple. It's similar to how US companies don't get a fair shake in China. And in both, the citizens get taken advantage o…

> Did any of what I just said make any sense?

No.

We don't need bizzaro metaphors when the situation is easy to discuss on its own terms.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by praveen9920 »

People have lot of opinions about apple but looking at ground reality of the situation, Within Apple, there must be a small team which is taking all the decisions for this product and they realized that they need to do CC integration for improving profits.

Should we hold the whole company for this? Yes, of course. Real question should be how can a company which is as big as Apple can make sure their standards are propagated across all teams.

I'm not trying to defend apple here but it is a real problem I see in lot of big companies.

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Post by mehrdada »

cma wrote: post #43
Razengan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but Apple is Apple-Centric at the expense of their customers Apple has done a lot to curtail scummy developer practices and protect users. You could go over each of their App Store policies and see how few of them are "at the expense of their customers." Not the least are their privacy and anti-tracking protections. iOS 14 already caught many apps (including Discord and Instagram) stealing our clipboard data and se…

Under Apple's clarified guidelines, if a University put out a remote learning app to help students deal with the pandemic better than a browser solution, Apple would be entitled to 30% of each user's tuition. Once they have a few slow quarters and pull the lever on taking a cut of app mediated real-world services, we may see 10-30% of each Taxi ride going to Apple.

Apple only extracts that revenue from apps if you want to directly take payment through the app. Both Netflix and Spotify work on iOS. They just are not collecting payments or doing new signups there. So in your analogy the student is presumably registered already with the school and Apple doesn’t take a cut at all, even today.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

nindalf wrote: post #56
baddox wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The British East India company was a government actor. It’s silly to consider them otherwise simply because it was technically a “joint-stock company.” It was part of the government. Wikipedia even notes: > Originally chartered as the "Governor and Company of Merchants of London Trading into the East-Indies"

> It was part of the government. It was not. It did not answer to Parliament, only to its shareholders. It has the best of both worlds though, because many powerful MPs were shareholders. So they got govt protection without govt oversight.

You're definitely focusing on the wrong bit.

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Post by asgard1024 »

clomond wrote: post #51
vmception wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given the fundamental differences between corporations and governments I disagree with that line. I feel like people are desperate for there to be a difference based on some 9th grade civics class, or because an animated anthropomorphic piece of paper sang to them about bills in elementary school. The British East India company had the power to jail and kill, for centuries. The Head of the Executive Branch is the C…

Very interesting comment. The statement was written with the lens of very different goals (corporations maximize profit within the context of selling goods and services where governments - usually, serve the people sufficiently to maintain control & power over its people by being “great leaders”). Corporations usually sell goods and services, but do not have control over individuals most fundamental rights including…

> Corporations usually sell goods and services, but do not have control over individuals most fundamental rights including those of freedom, health or even life - like governments often do.

And yet in the U.S., your health care and pension is often tied to your employment at a corporation. For some people, for example those on work visa, having employment in a particular corporation is tied to living in the same country.

Vice versa, a democratic government has less control over your life than you might think.

And if we look at things like free speech - I can freely criticize the government but criticizing the corporation is often difficult.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by ssss11 »

jeswin wrote: post #63
kanobo wrote: post #7

Apple and Google are similar to China and America. Apple has more restrictive policies within a walled garden. Google gives more freedoms but its platform is wild and open. It's easy for Apple to take advantage of Google's ecosystem and open policies, but very difficult for Google to do the same to Apple. It's similar to how US companies don't get a fair shake in China. And in both, the citizens get taken advantage o…

Here's something many HNers might be unaware of. China has several App Stores for Android, but only Chinese companies are allowed to list apps. Yup, completely closed to outside competition. The only appropriate response really is to close markets to Chinese companies until they open up theirs (without unreasonable restrictions on free speech).

I think the western world hoped China would open up over the past 20 years.. unfortunately that strategy has become a spectacular failure

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by rawoke083600 »

These days, and trust me I hear myself saying and typing this, it seems Microsoft is the "good guys" bar the repeated GitHub failures. Seems HackerNews is full of stories how Apple and Google is doing XYZ to developers or services. What a world we live in !

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Post by njsubedi »

praveen9920 wrote: post #73

People have lot of opinions about apple but looking at ground reality of the situation, Within Apple, there must be a small team which is taking all the decisions for this product and they realized that they need to do CC integration for improving profits. Should we hold the whole company for this? Yes, of course. Real question should be how can a company which is as big as Apple can make sure their standards are pro…

It’s their problem so they should figure it out, don’t they? With more power comes more responsibility.
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