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Why is there only one Snap Store?

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Re: Why is there only one Snap Store?

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Control. 1. Get market share with free product. 2. Start charging once monopoly is achieved. 3. Profit!

Lol as if there is oodles of money to be gained from hosting a store like that on Linux. We can see all these steam game publishers desperate to release games to a community that is rather famous fo being cheapskates.

Also, snap existing doesn't hinder flatpak or appimage or debs or rpms.

Re: Why is there only one Snap Store?

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Also curious. I'm waiting, or even begging for something like flatpak on mac os just due to the number of times pip/npm/python in general has broken due to homebrew.

What's wrong with elementary OS? (pls don't kill me HN — Edit: yup, downvoted for a simple question)

• Nothing available that's as lightweight and good as Apple's "office"-type suite.

• Nothing as all-around good as Preview (yes, seriously).

• Worse battery life, partly due to worse OS optimizations and partly due to not having Safari available. Solutions to this in Linux that actually yield good results usually involve hard-capping performance at a pretty low level, IME.

• Little things like screen recording and screenshot capabilities not being as nice for basic use, out of the box.

• AFAIK not only is the default English keyboard on Linux far worse at the task of writing in English than that on macOS, there's not a single alternative layout that's close to as good as the Mac default. Yes, I'm dead serious about this, and frankly it's friggin' weird they'd have such a significant advantage on something like that in the year 2020, and I really wish other operating systems would catch up because I do not like being forced to use Apple products just so my experience composing documents in English isn't bad. I do not understand how they still have such a large advantage here, but somehow, they do. Totally baffling.

• If you do anything serious with software-UI-related graphic design, or work closely with people who do, you pretty much need a Mac because odds are good you'll be using at least some mac-only software or have things shared with you that work only in mac programs.

• You lose a variety of time-saving integrations with i-devices, if you're someone who takes advantage of those.

Re: Why is there only one Snap Store?

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That reminds me of the stake Ubuntu Core was born with in its heart: > An Ubuntu SSO account is required to create the first user on an Ubuntu Core installation. They just keep flinging shit at nothing and hoping to hit a wall they can build a gate in. They're trying to boil the frog slowly with Snap on the Server/Desktop branches. There is no possible genuine motive for these maneuverings to be in the position of ga…

To go back to Snap for a second: didn't Linux Mint drop it recently?

I'm not happy on Ubuntu with snap because of what seems to be auto-updates -- maybe it's another thing that's auto-updating?

I use Hugo [0], whose binaries are still [0] https://gohugo.io

Re: Why is there only one Snap Store?

#74

"Although they invested significant resources in open sourcing Launchpad, there is still only one instance of Launchpad running and they have not received any significant contributions from non-Canonical employees." For what it's worth, there is another Launchpad instance in existence: https://quickbuild.io/ From personal experience, I found it functionally impossible to get a local instance working when I tried a fe…

Launchpad is also objectively more complex and hard to use than alternatives, and subjectively I'd say it's ugly and looks dated. Launchpad isn't probably something people want to use because of product design, and thus there's not much activity around it outside of Canonical.

I think it would be silly to assume that a separate project that is liked wouldn't get traction outside of Canonical because of their experience with Launchpad.

Re: Why is there only one Snap Store?

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Is this another whining post?

Here is what I think.

Ubuntu actually works. Wont crap out every other month. Most stable OS for linux are all ubuntu based.

Even Snap works.

So why is there only one snap store? Coz if there were more, they would be crap/dogshit like 99% of linux OS are.

Go back to what ever OS you like. You are not needed. Useless free loaders.

Re: Why is there only one Snap Store?

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notably, I thought ripgrep became a snap?

doesn't look like it: https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep#installation

> (N.B. Various snaps for ripgrep on Ubuntu are also available, but none of them seem to work right and generate a number of very strange bug reports that I don't know how to fix and don't have the time to fix. Therefore, it is no longer a recommended installation option.)

I distinctly recall getting suggested by 'command-not-found' to install rg from a snap in some version of ubuntu, but I don't remember what version it was.

Re: Why is there only one Snap Store?

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post #71
post #57

Control. 1. Get market share with free product. 2. Start charging once monopoly is achieved. 3. Profit!

Lol as if there is oodles of money to be gained from hosting a store like that on Linux. We can see all these steam game publishers desperate to release games to a community that is rather famous fo being cheapskates. Also, snap existing doesn't hinder flatpak or appimage or debs or rpms.

They aren't going for a model like Steam where they sell software to end-users. The idea is to get enterprises hooked on using snaps to distribute their software internally, and then charge them for private repository hosting.

Re: Why is there only one Snap Store?

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Flatpak can not currently run on servers, only desktops. I'm not sure if there are plans to change this, if anyone knows I'd be interested in finding out.

At least for now, there are no plans to change this because Flatpak (if I recall) requires dbus. You might find some interesting info on that.

You seem to be suggesting that servers don't run dbus. It is currently running on all my servers and I'm pretty sure it is standard on all major server oriented distros.. Am I mistaken or did I misunderstand your point?

Re: Why is there only one Snap Store?

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Lol as if there is oodles of money to be gained from hosting a store like that on Linux. We can see all these steam game publishers desperate to release games to a community that is rather famous fo being cheapskates. Also, snap existing doesn't hinder flatpak or appimage or debs or rpms.

They aren't going for a model like Steam where they sell software to end-users. The idea is to get enterprises hooked on using snaps to distribute their software internally, and then charge them for private repository hosting.

Then fair play for Canonical to get revenue streams from enterprise?

From my perspective the primary motivation seems rather simple in minimizing the maintenance costs/testing of having to publish software for 5-6 distributions.

That to me seems more plausible than evil mustache twisting capitalist reasons.

Re: Why is there only one Snap Store?

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That reminds me of the stake Ubuntu Core was born with in its heart: > An Ubuntu SSO account is required to create the first user on an Ubuntu Core installation. They just keep flinging shit at nothing and hoping to hit a wall they can build a gate in. They're trying to boil the frog slowly with Snap on the Server/Desktop branches. There is no possible genuine motive for these maneuverings to be in the position of ga…

To go back to Snap for a second: didn't Linux Mint drop it recently? I'm not happy on Ubuntu with snap because of what seems to be auto-updates -- maybe it's another thing that's auto-updating? I use Hugo [0], whose binaries are still [0] https://gohugo.io

Snap is auto-updating and you can't stop it [0].

I actually liked the idea of the snaps on paper, especially combined with Ubuntu Core for running lightweight VMs (via LXD). But the tone on that exchange and the "we know best" attitude put me off it.

I have an Ubuntu 20.04 installed for tests on one of my home machines, and from time to time I catch doing who knows what. What tips me off is seeing the drive light going crazy when I'm doing basically nothing. And for some reason it doesn't log anything while doing this...

[0] https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/disabling-automatic-refresh-for...

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