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Re: TikTok to Sue Trump Administration over Ban, as Soon as Tuesday

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Post by boublepop » Sun, Aug 09, 2020, 8:30 AM UTC

mike503 wrote: post #59

Anyone else find it amusing one of the biggest “things” going on at the moment is not a global pandemic, racial injustice/social activism, but the country banning a silly social media platform? :)

The main reason it’s being banned by Trump is very likely because it has been an extremely effective platform for sharing videos of police and military brutality against the protesting population of America and of cause pro-science/anti Trumpism content telling people to wear masks and social distance.

This isn’t just a silly app being banned. This is a major blow against freedom of speech being pushed forwards with a silly cover excuse of “national security” all happening up to an election.

Re: TikTok to Sue Trump Administration over Ban, as Soon as Tuesday

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Post by analyst74 » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 1:50 AM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #35

nine_zeros wrote: post #20

I am not opposed to a ban. However, I am opposed to the executive having the power to force companies (foreign or otherwise) to sell assets. We are really entering developing country territory here.

They're not forced to sell. They would simply lose access to the US market. They've already lost access to the Indian market.

Don't Google and Apple have to follow US law and ban the app in all markets?

Re: TikTok to Sue Trump Administration over Ban, as Soon as Tuesday

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Post by slowhadoken » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 9:59 AM UTC

puranjay wrote: post #8

slowhadoken wrote: post #6

Seems bold considering China’s firewall and all the US social media and chat apps it’s banned.

Might be a good political argument but not a legal one.

It’s both.

Re: TikTok to Sue Trump Administration over Ban, as Soon as Tuesday

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Post by slowhadoken » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 10:21 AM UTC

dodobirdlord wrote: post #43

jychang wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying the USA is a totalitarian state now?

If orders like this are not overturned by the judicial system, then yes, it would be. But this order (or at least the lawyer-banning aspect) will be overturned because the US is not a totalitarian state.

Correct. It shows that Trump is subject to the law but the CCP does whatever it pleases. China blocks whatever it likes because it has no such legal standards.

Re: TikTok to Sue Trump Administration over Ban, as Soon as Tuesday

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Post by carlosdp » Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 9:39 PM UTC

oh_sigh wrote: post #51

carlosdp wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is very much a constitutional requirement that the government can't tell you you can't have the lawyer you want because they are a US citizen. That's a clear violation of the 14th amendment right to due process...

A part of due process is the opportunity to be represented by counsel. Unless there are few or no quality lawyers who are not US citizens, I don't see how this would infringe on anyone's due process. Not being able to get the exact lawyer you want is not the same as your due process being violated.

> Not being able to get the exact lawyer you want is not the same as your due process being violated.

It absolutely is.