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Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by skissane »

renewiltord wrote: post #25
gruturo wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, a train leaving early SUCKS. You show up on time, and you find out you missed it. Maybe the next one is in 40 minutes, maybe it's the next day. (I realize 20 seconds early isn't that bad, but still, leaving early by any amount of time is a lot worse than leaving late)

In this case, it's annoying because you'll have missed a semi-rapid and the next comparable train to Tsukuba will leave 9 minutes later and arrive 17 minutes later. It's not a 40 minute thing, this isn't Caltrain, but it's still annoying.

> this isn't Caltrain, but it's still annoying.

Why don't they just build out BART between Millbrae and Santa Clara? Once the Silicon Valley Extension is finished, BART will be almost a loop around the Bay except for that gap.

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by Bobbcatt »

gruturo wrote: post #20
supernova87a wrote: post #10

I love how the idea of Japanese conscientiousness has become almost a meme for how we wish companies were run. Other examples you've probably seen come across the webs: -- Hotel apologizes in advance for a brief 1 minute planned disruption of in-room internet at 4am https://www.google.com/search?q=japanese+hotel+internet+apol... -- Japanese train company issues apology for train leaving 20 seconds early https://www.g…

To be honest, a train leaving early SUCKS. You show up on time, and you find out you missed it. Maybe the next one is in 40 minutes, maybe it's the next day. (I realize 20 seconds early isn't that bad, but still, leaving early by any amount of time is a lot worse than leaving late)

> leaving early by any amount of time is a lot worse than leaving late)

So if you have a connecting flight and you miss it because you leave late, that's better than leaving 1 second early?

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ardy42 wrote: post #54
fuzzythinker wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least they feel bad and apologized. Caltrain leaves early 20+ secs all the time and they cared less.

> At least they feel bad and apologized. Caltrain leaves early 20+ secs all the time and they cared less. How confident are you that your clock wasn't 20 seconds slow? https://www.electro-tech-online.com/threads/cell-phone-clock... > I have a company where everyone has a phone that used the same calender program, same service, same type of phone, etc. At 8:50 and again at 9:00 every phone will ding to announce 9:00 m…

Easy enough to visit https://time.is/

My phone is within a second.

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by supernova87a »

csharptwdec19 wrote: post #19
supernova87a wrote: post #10

I love how the idea of Japanese conscientiousness has become almost a meme for how we wish companies were run. Other examples you've probably seen come across the webs: -- Hotel apologizes in advance for a brief 1 minute planned disruption of in-room internet at 4am https://www.google.com/search?q=japanese+hotel+internet+apol... -- Japanese train company issues apology for train leaving 20 seconds early https://www.g…

Nikon has had other issues in the past where they were much less quick to issue recalls. This likely only happened as quickly as it did because it's a Hazardous substance issue and not an overall quality issue.

Yes, I realize of course there's the practical/real side of this story, and there's also opinionated discontent with various Nikon/Canon updates in the past. Just this week there was some story about a Canon overheating issue where people were talking about the refreshing change of how they addressed it quickly (or something to that effect).

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by drfuchs »

skissane wrote: post #71
renewiltord wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, it's annoying because you'll have missed a semi-rapid and the next comparable train to Tsukuba will leave 9 minutes later and arrive 17 minutes later. It's not a 40 minute thing, this isn't Caltrain, but it's still annoying.

> this isn't Caltrain, but it's still annoying. Why don't they just build out BART between Millbrae and Santa Clara? Once the Silicon Valley Extension is finished, BART will be almost a loop around the Bay except for that gap.

One reason that extending BART down the peninsula is a non-starter is the political power of the owners of hundreds of properties that you’d have to eminent-domain and knock down.

Plus the fact that the citizens (through their representatives) voted against it decades ago, so it was removed from the original plan. Given the current fuss among the citizenry over similar problems with running the nascent high-speed rail up the Caltrain corridor, I’d guess a vote today on BART would have the same outcome.

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by loa_in_ »

jacquesm wrote: post #45

What really impresses here is their ability to document the recall to the point that a product that old still has its full history available, allowing them to work out which specific cameras to recall.

We somehow got used to the idea that we can expect companies not to do this because it's not profitable for them

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by skissane »

drfuchs wrote: post #75
skissane wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this isn't Caltrain, but it's still annoying. Why don't they just build out BART between Millbrae and Santa Clara? Once the Silicon Valley Extension is finished, BART will be almost a loop around the Bay except for that gap.

One reason that extending BART down the peninsula is a non-starter is the political power of the owners of hundreds of properties that you’d have to eminent-domain and knock down. Plus the fact that the citizens (through their representatives) voted against it decades ago, so it was removed from the original plan. Given the current fuss among the citizenry over similar problems with running the nascent high-speed rai…

> One reason that extending BART down the peninsula is a non-starter is the political power of the owners of hundreds of properties that you’d have to eminent-domain and knock down.

Couldn't they build a tunnel? With a tunnel, the requirements for eminent domain would be relatively limited (portals, station entrances, maybe some ventilation/utility buildings)

Sydney, Australia's new metro system which is being built relies mostly on tunnels (plus some conversion of existing surface lines, and elevated rail in outer suburban areas where land is relatively cheap). Sydney's metro area (5.2 million) isn't hugely larger than the Bay Area's (4.7 million).

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by supernova87a »

pt wrote: post #48
supernova87a wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I loved (not really) how sometimes on Caltrain, if the trains were delayed, you could get on a delayed train after you had planned to travel, and get home sooner than if the trains had been running on time. (I'll let you think on that puzzle.)

Baby bullet.

yup.

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by supernova87a »

skissane wrote: post #77
drfuchs wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One reason that extending BART down the peninsula is a non-starter is the political power of the owners of hundreds of properties that you’d have to eminent-domain and knock down. Plus the fact that the citizens (through their representatives) voted against it decades ago, so it was removed from the original plan. Given the current fuss among the citizenry over similar problems with running the nascent high-speed rai…

> One reason that extending BART down the peninsula is a non-starter is the political power of the owners of hundreds of properties that you’d have to eminent-domain and knock down. Couldn't they build a tunnel? With a tunnel, the requirements for eminent domain would be relatively limited (portals, station entrances, maybe some ventilation/utility buildings) Sydney, Australia's new metro system which is being built…

Tunneling in the US is massively expensive, which is a huge problem for infrastructure projects. There have been some previous posts on exactly this topic ("why do projects in the US cost so much?").

And we are out of money / unwilling to pay for such projects. Australia is still relatively swimming in its natural resource boom and has funds to do that. And political willingness to invest in public transportation that's clean and efficient.

In California, public transport seems to be relegated to the status of a homeless mobility system / shelter, that most people reluctantly take and have to wonder why it's so badly operated. I don't think the idea will get far to tunnel under the rest of the peninsula. We can't even sort out the remaining 1 mile of Caltrain that was planned to connect to downtown SF and the Transbay center.

Aside from that, I believe there's a groundwater level problem under most of the places where such a line would go? I'm not an expert on that though.

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by skissane »

supernova87a wrote: post #79
skissane wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One reason that extending BART down the peninsula is a non-starter is the political power of the owners of hundreds of properties that you’d have to eminent-domain and knock down. Couldn't they build a tunnel? With a tunnel, the requirements for eminent domain would be relatively limited (portals, station entrances, maybe some ventilation/utility buildings) Sydney, Australia's new metro system which is being built…

Tunneling in the US is massively expensive, which is a huge problem for infrastructure projects. There have been some previous posts on exactly this topic ("why do projects in the US cost so much?"). And we are out of money / unwilling to pay for such projects. Australia is still relatively swimming in its natural resource boom and has funds to do that. And political willingness to invest in public transportation tha…

> And we are out of money / unwilling to pay for such projects. Australia is still relatively swimming in its natural resource boom and has funds to do that.

On a per capita basis, the US is richer than Australia. According to 2019 IMF estimates, US's nominal GDP per capita is US$65,111 (ranked 7th), Australia's nominal GDP per capita is only US$53,825 (ranked 10th) [1]. Similarly, the US's PPP GDP per capita (2020 IMF estimates) is US$67,426 (ranked 10th), while Australia's is only US$54,799 (ranked 19th) [2].

The US is a richer country than Australia in both relative (per capita GDP) and absolute (overall GDP) terms (and both nominally and at PPP). If Australia can afford tunnels, why can't a richer country like the US afford them too? (Especially in the Bay Area Peninsula, which is one of the wealthiest areas in the whole of the US.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)...

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