Curious about the price. This appears the first significant acquisition of a k8s ecosystem start-up. (Remember the hadoop frenzy) The price might set a sentiment for the entire market segment for a while.
Heltio or CoreOS both predate this.
SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs
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Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs
#72Makes a lot of sense to sell now since Rancher doesn't offer a lot of value anymore compared to vanilla Kubernetes and a few Helm charts.
The real value is the Install / Life Cycle orchestration - vanilla K8S has really marked that firmly as "not their problem" - which is the correct thing for them to do.
Cluster API should hopefully obsolete that problem, sooner rather than later.
Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs
#73Anyone else using Rancher's Rio? They're PaaS offering? It's still early days, we're using for a microservices project and it seems good do far.
I've used it and liked it. I hope they continue to develop it and get it to be production-ready, but I'm not betting on it.
Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
The real value is the Install / Life Cycle orchestration - vanilla K8S has really marked that firmly as "not their problem" - which is the correct thing for them to do.
Cluster API should hopefully obsolete that problem, sooner rather than later.
Hopefully, but Cluster API relies on something like Rancher (or AKS/EkS/GKE) to do the deployment underneath it - it still kind of outsources the life cycle.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
K8S is a lot easier than OpenStack to install, but when comparing something like Rancher to OpenStack, it should be compared to something like OpenStack Ansible, or a vendor version of OpenStack (RIP HPE Helion) which were a lot easier than apt-get install openstack is. K8S has a lot less moving parts - a couple of binaries / containers and etcd. The issue start coming up when you go beyond the single control plane n…
Why not compare it to a instead to a contemporary competitor - Nomad - which has simplicity as a core value? It has _far_ fewer moving parts than Kubernetes.
I was talking about the GP comparing their OpenStack install experience to something like Rancher, which is not an apples to apples comparison.
- on a side note - OpenStack and Kubernetes are not competitors, they are quite complementary collections of applications, that both have their place in a modern open source infrastructure.
Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs
#76Curious about the price. This appears the first significant acquisition of a k8s ecosystem start-up. (Remember the hadoop frenzy) The price might set a sentiment for the entire market segment for a while.
Heltio or CoreOS both predate this.
Deis too. And Deis was acquired twice, first by Engine Yard and then by Microsoft.
Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would Red Hat (who created OpenShift) want to buy an inferior competitor?
You can buy an "inferior competitor" and integrate their feature set into your own products, and end up with a much better integrated solution for your customers, which will strengthen your business. But switch "inferior" to "superior" and your question makes sense. Red Hat's products mostly suck balls. I can't think of a single one which has been an enjoyable experience to use. People paid for them because they were…
Or people just trust Red Hat for being always "heart, mind and soul" of the community of contributors that makes open source great. And keep doing the same thing, that inspired many others such as SUSE, Rancher, etc.. and IBM :)
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would Red Hat (who created OpenShift) want to buy an inferior competitor?
OpenShift is expensive and requires a significant O&M investment. If you want to use standard tools it’d be nice to have a managed standard Kubernetes option without paying for a lot of complexity your teams don’t want.
It's also open source.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
OpenShift is expensive and requires a significant O&M investment. If you want to use standard tools it’d be nice to have a managed standard Kubernetes option without paying for a lot of complexity your teams don’t want.
> If you want to use standard tools it’d be nice to have a managed standard Kubernetes option What standard tool doesn't work on OpenShift? It's certified to have 100% compatibility with Kubernetes, it just adds stuff, doesn't it?
It takes away privileges which arguably is a good thing but some things that require root containers wont't run. They pass the Kubernetes conformance suite only by removing those constraints.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you want to use standard tools it’d be nice to have a managed standard Kubernetes option What standard tool doesn't work on OpenShift? It's certified to have 100% compatibility with Kubernetes, it just adds stuff, doesn't it?
It takes away privileges which arguably is a good thing but some things that require root containers wont't run. They pass the Kubernetes conformance suite only by removing those constraints.
And you can do the same for your environment. You can run root containers on OpenShift, it's a settings, not a baked-in compiled choice or something similar.