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Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by theturtletalks »

jccooper wrote: post #70
jacquesm wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That Norwegian decision is a travesty as presented here, how can a repair infringe on a trademark and how on Earth did that not lead to an appeal. Using aftermarket parts is a well established practice in automotive, I see absolutely no reason why that would not extend to phones. Are they going to demand cars are only repaired with OEM parts as well?

That case was not quite that simple. It involved import of third-party refurbished/remanufactured parts still bearing the Apple logo (because they contained some original Apple parts). This is clearly problematic, and something auto parts manufacturers are well aware of. I buy many auto parts clearly made on the same mold as factory parts, but with the logo always removed--sometimes even just ground off. The defendan…

I read it was not the Apple logo, rather the QR looking code that’s on the parts. Not sure why Chinese suppliers are putting those codes on third party items, but the Norwegian company wasn’t trying to mislead customers.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by drummer »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #69
gspr wrote: post #29

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> I think the days where one needs to be licensed to use a debugger might not be far away. GNU/Linux and the BSDs have never before looked so essential to the survival of computing as we know it.

What good is Linux and free software if the hardware won't let us run the programs we want? Computers could ship with a preconfigured Linux distribution that does all sorts of abusive things and since we wouldn't have the cryptographic keys to the machine it's impossible to do anything about it. In the future, all computers could very well be just like video game consoles: devices which refuse to run software not cry…

Regarding the hardware, that is why we should support and use open and free hardware solutions, such as the Librem phone etc.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by xtracto »

barney54 wrote: post #6

It appears this is a result of the harmonization of laws between Mexico, Canada, and the US.

That's right, this was an "ask" from the USA in order to implement the T-MEC (USMCA in English). Given the current US political climate, Mexico got the short stick in this new "deal": Tax was increased (from 16% to 17%, 18% and even 19%), Mexico has to implement these laws and we keep being the "cheap maquila labour" that guarantee the country won't develop in the short/mid term.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by drummer »

cs702 wrote: post #53

Sometimes it feels as if politicians and lawmakers are drawing inspiration from the direst scenarios envisioned in the science fiction literature. Do they really not understand the long-term consequences of preventing the kind of tinkering, exploration, repurposing, interconnecting, i.e., hacking, that leads to innovation? Do they really not understand the long-term consequences of preventing new kinds of competition…

It is more about the lobying and money they receive and not about understanding what they ultimately push and vote on. Most of them don't even read or understand what they vote on.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by jacquesm »

jjcon wrote: post #60
jacquesm wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That Norwegian decision is a travesty as presented here, how can a repair infringe on a trademark and how on Earth did that not lead to an appeal. Using aftermarket parts is a well established practice in automotive, I see absolutely no reason why that would not extend to phones. Are they going to demand cars are only repaired with OEM parts as well?

> how can a repair infringe on a trademark I generally agree but I can also see apples pov. I’ve purchased quite a few used iPhones online (amazon, eBay stores etc) that are advertised as new or open box. So so frequently they come with terrible third party screens or super cheap replacement parts. If I didn’t have a point of reference I would think iPhones just have terrible screens/crappy switches/speakers etc. App…

You buy used phones, you can more or less expect them to be repaired. If you want the guarantee of a 'fresh' phone then you should pay the mark-up. Even the seller might not be aware that the phone has been repaired.

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Post by tmh88j »

switch007 wrote: post #42
jacquesm wrote: post #40

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Well, fuck BMW then.

Indeed. The last good car they made was the E46 M3 anyway (2006!)

Have you driven any modern BMW's? If size is your issue the M2 Competition is far superior to the E46 M3, and the F80 M3 is far superior to the E39 M5 and E60 M5.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by zifnab06 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #52
ex_amazon_sde wrote: post #34

How does this interacts with FLOSS software used on the phone? This is an example of "tivoization" and should be prevented by GPLv3

Do any phones use GPLv3 code? Closest that I know of is Linux under v2, but Android generally is permissively licensed.

The large majority of Android is Apache 2, rich requires attribution but no release of source code.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by rasz »

jacquesm wrote: post #22
class4behavior wrote: post #20

This is an unfortunate win against the right to repair, which is a concerning issue everywhere around the world. Just recently, in Norway its last court instance found a repair shop in breach of Apple's trademark as they used imported third-party displays. This stifles competition as corporations are in control for how long hardware or software remain usable and who can provide alternative solutions. In the US this t…

That Norwegian decision is a travesty as presented here, how can a repair infringe on a trademark and how on Earth did that not lead to an appeal. Using aftermarket parts is a well established practice in automotive, I see absolutely no reason why that would not extend to phones. Are they going to demand cars are only repaired with OEM parts as well?

In the Norwegian case it turned out refurbishing company was the one printing additional Apple logos on _non Apple_ parts of the display.

Its one thing to refurbish a display by gluing replacement glass on original LCD. Its another to then plaster the glass part with Apple logos and fake serial numbers.

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Post by rasz »

jacquesm wrote: post #59
krapht wrote: post #58

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You should read the actual court case. The online journalistic coverage is misleading and somewhat exaggerated. There are good reasons for why the case is not being appealed. https://youtu.be/xKEdi6vXMrU Here is one of the expert witnesses in the trial recanting his outage and explaining why Henrik was actually committing trademark infringement.

I'm sure there are good reasons but there has to be a more concise way of making that point than linking to 41 minutes of rambling video. I watched the first 5 and I'm none the wise yet. Regardless of journalistic coverage it is still Apple suing for trademark infringement on parts that should not have been trademarked in the first place. So they are simply using trademark law as a weapon knowing full well that this…

The case was not about trademarked parts. It was about someone in China printing Apple trademarks on substitutes.

At first everyone, including Louis, assumed original Apple logos printed by Apple on Apple LCD module. Turned out Chinese refurbished decided to counterfeit the refurb to make it look like original part, by printing Apple trademarks on substitute parts.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by rasz »

tmh88j wrote: post #76
switch007 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. The last good car they made was the E46 M3 anyway (2006!)

Have you driven any modern BMW's? If size is your issue the M2 Competition is far superior to the E46 M3, and the F80 M3 is far superior to the E39 M5 and E60 M5.

For the first two years of ownership. https://www.bimmerboost.com/content.php?7348-BMW-ignores-the...
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