The comments here read like people with Stockholm syndrome.
Subscriptions mean I purchase far less software. This is an empirical observation - my personal software spending is down something like 80% over the last couple years, and it is due to the friction of subscriptions. The main thing is I do not like assigning myself future decisions, especially about money, and I don't like ongoing financial obligations. I'm not saying this is strictly rational; I'm sure there are tim…
Apple forcing app developers to implement auto-billing after free trial
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Re: Apple forcing app developers to implement auto-billing after free trial
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s because without the voice of reason to help balance things out, there would be a strong misleading conception that everything about being a developer on Apple’s platforms is 100 percent negative, but this is certainly far from the truth. There are pros and cons, I don’t think it’s necessarily better or worse than developing on other platforms. The advantages outweigh the negatives much of the time.
That explains one or two comments countering an attack on Apple with arguments. I see those too. But it does not explain all the anecdotal (I've never had o cancel. For me X is not an issue. I don't know anyone ever coplaining about Y) arguments. Or personal attacks. And so on. It really reeks like a tribal war. The scorched smell of flamewars.
Re: Apple forcing app developers to implement auto-billing after free trial
#73Apple's approach isn't as bad as this title makes it sound. Mostly because they're aggressive communicators about subscription billing -- they send emails well in advance of any subscription renewal, telling you when you'll be billed, how much for, and giving you a link to cancel the subscription. Makes me feel this isn't them hoping you'll just forget and be billed. In fact, I'd suspect this is intended as a user-fr…
Heck, most people don't read their work emails in a timely matter, if my coworkers are anything to go by... ;)
Re: Apple forcing app developers to implement auto-billing after free trial
#74Is it just me or does this seem like it might be a blow back at Hey? They got their app into the app store by creating temporary trial accounts[0], but they still don't bill through Apple or accept signups through the app. This seems like a way to force them to do so. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/22/21298552/apple-hey-email-...
Re: Apple forcing app developers to implement auto-billing after free trial
#75There was a good discussion of App Store billing practices and how they're abused in this podcast episode: https://www.relay.fm/radar/176
Re: Apple forcing app developers to implement auto-billing after free trial
#76Apple's approach isn't as bad as this title makes it sound. Mostly because they're aggressive communicators about subscription billing -- they send emails well in advance of any subscription renewal, telling you when you'll be billed, how much for, and giving you a link to cancel the subscription. Makes me feel this isn't them hoping you'll just forget and be billed. In fact, I'd suspect this is intended as a user-fr…
I don't think this passes the sniff test - if their trial doesn't require providing a payment method, how is Apple possibly protecting anyone?
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Okay, then what happens to the app when your subscription renewal fails when your CC expires?
And what happens if you drop your phone, and it's being repaired so you haven't used the app for the full trial? And what if say, a Sasquatch, steals your phone, and your wallet, and he's using the app and delighted by it, by you've never used that app but you're still going to be charged? What happens if the universe ends? Apple must account for this scenarios!
What were you hoping to prove here?
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
There certainly seems a bias for Apple in here. What I really don't understand is why Some Random Hacker feels the need to jump into a thread and defend Apple, one of the wealthiest companies in the world.
Brand affiliation tribalism is rampant in modern society.
It is akin to the Golden Rule on HN that we must actually presume that.
Re: Apple forcing app developers to implement auto-billing after free trial
#79Apple's approach isn't as bad as this title makes it sound. Mostly because they're aggressive communicators about subscription billing -- they send emails well in advance of any subscription renewal, telling you when you'll be billed, how much for, and giving you a link to cancel the subscription. Makes me feel this isn't them hoping you'll just forget and be billed. In fact, I'd suspect this is intended as a user-fr…
Many people (do I dare say most?) don't read their personal emails in a timely manner. Heck, most people don't read their work emails in a timely matter, if my coworkers are anything to go by... ;)
* Walk up and tell me (grandpa, tell us about the days before Covid..)
* Phone call
* Slack/Discord/Workplace IM
* Git comment @me
* Social Media
* Paper Mail
Re: Apple forcing app developers to implement auto-billing after free trial
#80So you promised a 1 month free trial, and after one month you either disable the app, or not charge and let them continue their free trial. Either is allowed or makes sense.