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> After the EU forced manufacturers to improve energy use in their devices it soon improved situations for everyone on this planet. I don't know (talking as fairly pro-EU kind of person). I kind liked washing machines that properly heated to 90C and vacuum cleaners that actually picked up dirt. But the EU are only partly to blame. Companies are relentless in their pursuit of cutting production costs. Going "green" ju…
I still miss my old 90's era dishwasher. I ran the numbers that thing was more effeceint end to end than modern ones. Because you didn't need to prerinse dishes. Prerinsing with warm water completely wipes out the modern ones energy and water savings. As for machines with plastic parts, there should be a standard that machines need to last ten years. And if one shows up at the dump before then the manufacturer has to…
There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff
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Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff
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Apple seems to be one of the worst offenders in terms of repairability of their devices. You can watch e.g. Louis Rossmann's videos on Youtube, he goes into great detail on how Apple tries to make it impossible for anyone except themselves to service their laptops, even going as far as to restrict market suppliers from selling specific microchips (that were not invented by Apple) to anyone but Apple. I imagine this w…
I don't think it will get especially worse with the switch to their own silicon. It is not as if you could exchange the CPU in your current Mac either, with the possible exception of the Mac Pro. Same with the software. The pure fact that they demonstrated a Linux VM in the keynote shows, that they understand at least the requirements of the Mac users.
While I appreciate the right to repair, I don't think a lot of stuff is repairable with any reasonably easy to obtain equipment these days. It's limiting all repairs to FRU replacement. I can rework everything down to 0402's and MSOP packages but BGAs and things like that, forget it.
We really should be fighting for better consumer rights legislation in our respective countries where we don't have to resort to repairing our own devices because they had designed in lifespans. You should be able to walk into the store you bought your device from in 5 years and say "it failed" and get an unconditional repair or replacement without a single argument.
We have that here in the UK under CRA 2015 and Apple have honoured repairs I've taken in there up to 5 years old without question. In fact I got given a brand new 6s after 3 years when the display developed a cosmetic backlight fault. The old one was recycled I assume and turned into other iPhones. That's where we should be.
Fear of things breaking is really a big problem with expensive technology items. Removing that fear and cost though legislation changes is the best outcome. Not the right to repair which is honestly beyond most people I have encountered, including so-called professional repairers. Involving third parties and self-repairs is walking around the problem which is why the manufacturers are surprisingly silent on this. It's a better outcome for the manufacturers than actually forcing the manufacturers to support their devices for a reasonable lifespan.
Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
> After the EU forced manufacturers to improve energy use in their devices it soon improved situations for everyone on this planet. I don't know (talking as fairly pro-EU kind of person). I kind liked washing machines that properly heated to 90C and vacuum cleaners that actually picked up dirt. But the EU are only partly to blame. Companies are relentless in their pursuit of cutting production costs. Going "green" ju…
> I kind liked washing machines that properly heated to 90C Your washing machine is likely defective. Nothing about the rules makes this particularly difficult and modern machines with good energy ratings can do it (though, mind you, you'll notice if you read the small print that the energy rating is pretty much just for the mode they expect people to use; the 90 degree mode will use quite a lot of power). > vacuum c…
And require "suckage per watt" also.
People went by power usage because that was the only measure they got.
Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff
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You don’t. This is not an European body, but a derived standard for Estonia. EU version at https://www.cenelec.eu/dyn/www/f?p=104:22:1562386624244501::... .
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Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff
#75Let's hope this catches on just like the energy labels did. After the EU forced manufacturers to improve energy use in their devices it soon improved situations for everyone on this planet. Many other countries follow EU regulations directly or indirectly so let's hope for some easily repairable products in the future!
Some have suggested that it could make the UK's desire to set its own regulatory standards after leaving the EU rather an uphill struggle. [3]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect
[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/energy/how-the-bruss...
[3] https://www.ft.com/content/7059dbf8-a82a-11e7-ab66-21cc87a2e...
Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff
#76Whenever repairability of modern electronic devices is discussed, I have to look at my mechanical wristwatch. Yes, there is an enormeous amount of technology integrated into a smartphone or compact laptop, but my wristwatch contains over 100 moving parts in a tiny volume. And still, every trained watchmaker can open and service it. It requires specialized tools, but those have been avialable to watchmakers for hundre…
Well, no. A wealthy time traveler could buy a current Rolex. Rolex is a terrible example. I'd love to learn about high quality, affordable brands. Also, only being able to know the time is very little information nowadays; smartwatches can do so much more (I have a Fossil Hybrid HR).
Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff
#77I have a Fairphone [1], for which repairability was a major focus (the latest two models are the first smartphones to get a perfect 10 from iFixit, IIRC). At some point, it started having some issues. Likewise, a friend of mine who had one wanted a new phone as well. By combining parts from mine and his phone, I now have a properly working phone again with very little effort. This is so important. (That said, the rea…
But we have both since moved on. Why? Because the Fairphone 2 was slow when it was released, and things got unbearable in the end. They still technically work perfectly, but software demands simply outgrew the hardware. At the end, the battery (a new one) would barely last half a day, and google maps or websites would frequently evict background audio due to memory pressure.
Which is terribly sad to me; Fairphone (the company) did everything right, but the market decided against them that old hardware just is not viable. Here's to hoping that smartphone demands have slowed down enough to make the Fairphone 3 last longer than the 2.
But for now, I choose buying used phones over fair new ones. And maybe that is actually better for the environment, too.
Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
> After the EU forced manufacturers to improve energy use in their devices it soon improved situations for everyone on this planet. I don't know (talking as fairly pro-EU kind of person). I kind liked washing machines that properly heated to 90C and vacuum cleaners that actually picked up dirt. But the EU are only partly to blame. Companies are relentless in their pursuit of cutting production costs. Going "green" ju…
I still miss my old 90's era dishwasher. I ran the numbers that thing was more effeceint end to end than modern ones. Because you didn't need to prerinse dishes. Prerinsing with warm water completely wipes out the modern ones energy and water savings. As for machines with plastic parts, there should be a standard that machines need to last ten years. And if one shows up at the dump before then the manufacturer has to…
Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff
#79Speaking of phones, they often are purposely rendered obsolete by preventing them to install OS upgrades or migrating them to other more open OSes long before they break for other reasons. While this is a laudable initiative, sadly it won't be much effective against phones planned obsolescence. Opening hardware specs would be a true giant step against this. Not holding my breath though.
I am now in the situation where I can't bring myself to buy Android again, but don't really have the 500 bucks for the new SE. Honestly, new techy features became the least important factor for decision making for me. Support/security > connectivity > battery > repairability > X.
Re: There is now a European standard for measuring how easy it is to repair stuff
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
> After the EU forced manufacturers to improve energy use in their devices it soon improved situations for everyone on this planet. I don't know (talking as fairly pro-EU kind of person). I kind liked washing machines that properly heated to 90C and vacuum cleaners that actually picked up dirt. But the EU are only partly to blame. Companies are relentless in their pursuit of cutting production costs. Going "green" ju…
> I kind liked washing machines that properly heated to 90C I will be honest with you this one I just don't understand. My washing machine is A+ in EU norms and it heats properly. Maybe you bought a not so good model ? If anything those norms should be re-evaluated with new tougher levels now, you have to go out of your way to buy something that's not at least A (which is good and it means it worked, but also that it…
Bit off topic perhaps, but in my experience: Dyson does not necesarily work great nor handles well nor does last particularly long. Ok this is only anecdotal from my experience and 2 friends (Animal pro models or similar) but still.. Main complaint: it's overengineered/designed to the point it degrades usability. The handle is about twice the weight of a 'standard' one. The hose is very short so you have to drag the thing behind you cnostantly. Sucking power is really not all good. And it gets degraded by mouthpiece design with extra obstruction and narrow pieces in the airway. Which also makes it pretty hard to get e.g. straws of grass to pass through. Design of the mouthpiece is also such that anything larger than about 4mm requires lifting it to get sucked in. It makes a lot of noise already, but if you attach the carpentry cleaning mouthpiece (which in their defense is a rather nifty idea, but for the small effectivity it adds has the disadvante it wears out carpets/couches/... because the brushes are quite harsh) it becomes really, really loud. If you accidentally suck up dust which is too fine it becomes broken (even more noise, loss of sucking power), though that can be remedied by taking most of it apart and cleaning out with compressed air or perhaps water. Mechanism for sucking in the cable is way too weak.
I get that this all might sound like it's a disaster, but I guess it could work for some people who haven't tried alternatives. After all it does suck up some dust. And it doesn't require dustbags. Still I recommend anyone looking for a vacuum cleaner to look into simpler yet more effective designs. From other things I've used: Nilfisk is really good. Models I've used are simple, just work, none of the complaints from above. I also happen to have a Festool one which I normally use for dust extraction for saws/sanders. While not really meant for it, and pretty expensive, it's still way simpler in design than the Dyson and completely blows it away on all fronts.