Let’s see where “but it’s a private company and they have the right to ban any user the want”, “it’s not censorship if it’s not the government doing it”
Well I hope this illustrates why that argument isn’t a good argument to make.
Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
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Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> find another solution Have you tried Jitsi?
It's a bit difficult to understand what exactly that means. There's Jitsi Meet, Jitsi Desktop, there's a browser extension, a server-which-isn't-just-a-server etc. It's a bit confusing.
I think @hanniabu is referring to Jitsi Meet in this case...
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
#73It is ironic how the western public generally frowns upon the silencing of dissident throught in China, and at the same time welcomes precisely the same behavior for "sensitive topics" back home.
There is a vast difference between letting the government suppress speech, which is what China does, and letting private companies suppress speech, which is what happens in America. When the government does it, you can't express that idea anywhere. When private companies do it, you can still express those ideas somewhere else.
Perhaps the greatest difference is that the US government and large corporations don't even need to employ a lot of violent repression to get the media to jump through hoops and do parlor tricks; their ideological control is deeper and more effective than that of the Chinese state.
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#74I remember the good old days when we all thought that tech would help export democracy and free speech...
This is a bit of a rabbit hole but my misunderstanding in the early days of the internet was HOW people might choose to relate to one another via the internet, and I dramatically underestimated the amount of negative interactions there would be...
Tech itself was always a yin and yang to me.
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
#75Zoom is owned by a Chinese expat with a development shop in China. Enough said.
You just give the legitimacy to all the hostile behaviors of CCP towards foreign companies. Not the most effective argument IMHO.
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
#76This kind of thing is the exact reason why I was disturbed by the Keybase.io sale to Zoom and abandoned my account. ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23105253 ) I've been currently using Zoom during the pandemic because as a product it's still the best (and I signed up for a discounted year of pro), but I won't give them any money again.
As much as I don't like consolidation of tech, I've had really good experiences with Google Meet. No scummy practices like forcing users to pretend that the app installer doesn't download just to connect from the browser either. What are Zoom's advantages?
Much better video quality in Zoom than Google Meet from my experience with both products.
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
#77So everybody is cool with youtube removing videos and banning channels of RT, Sputnik and pro-Russia accounts; but Zoom doing just the same for the very same reason somehow makes everyone feel bad for Zoom .
The thing is, it's much simpler for you and the person your talking to to switch from Zoom to SomeOtherApp. But with Youtube - you can take your own videos off of it, but you can't take the ones you want to watch off.
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
#78Guys, guys, it's fine. According to everybody on HN who's so eagerly embraced Zoom and continued to use it even after the security issues, the only thing that matters is that Zoom is the best UX experience for video conferencing. Forget about the human rights, suppression of free speech or the fact that the company is wholly subservient to the CCP (not like anybody could've ever foreseen anything like this ever happe…
This matters to me and might be enough to get me to switch away (as a former zoom defender). On the other hand, for the average person using Zoom for video calling their families, or for companies forced into WFH that finally set up a Zoom subscription and would have to go through self-imposed bureaucratic hell to swap platforms? I think the usability of the platform and simple convenience far outweighs any desire to…
China stealing IP was a concerning issue in the past 2 decades and it's still an ongoing issue. Yet now we have companies willingly handing over data to a CCP-controlled entity. I'm not sure whether to cry or to laugh.
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
#79Is anyone here boycotting use of Zoom? I have a few clients that ask me to use it and I'm trying to think up a good response as to why I don't have it installed. For those of you that have rejected it on principle, what are you all saying?
I generally share a smattering of links like these:
Zoom banned from New York City schools due to privacy and security flaws https://www.fastcompany.com/90486586/zoom-banned-from-new-yo...
Google Told Its Workers That They Can’t Use Zoom On Their Laptops Anymore https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/pranavdixit/google-bans...
Elon Musk's SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spacex-zoom-video-commn/e...
Beware of ‘ZoomBombing:’ screensharing filth to video calls https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/17/zoombombing/
Zoom needs to clean up its privacy act https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/
Zoom security issues: Here's everything that's gone wrong (so far https://www.tomsguide.com/news/zoom-security-privacy-woes
Mass move to work from home in coronavirus crisis creates opening for hackers: cyber experts https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-cyber/...
Security and Privacy Implications of Zoom https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/04/security_and_...
‘Zoom is malware’: why experts worry about the video conferencing platform https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-tech...
Ex-NSA hacker drops new zero-day doom for Zoom https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ex-nsa-hacker-drops-zero-1400...
Maybe we shouldn’t use Zoom after all https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/31/zoom-at-your-own-risk/
Attackers can use Zoom to steal users’ Windows credentials with no warning https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/04/unpat...
The Zoom Privacy Backlash Is Only Getting Started https://www.wired.com/story/zoom-backlash-zero-days/
Hackers Are Selling a Critical Zoom Zero-Day Exploit for $500,000 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qjdqgv/hackers-selling-cr...
Researchers found and bought more than 500,000 Zoom passwords on the dark web for less than a cent each https://www.businessinsider.com/500000-zoom-accounts-sale-da...
Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
> find another solution Have you tried Jitsi?
It's a bit difficult to understand what exactly that means. There's Jitsi Meet, Jitsi Desktop, there's a browser extension, a server-which-isn't-just-a-server etc. It's a bit confusing.
Why is it difficult? Is there not enough context given the conversation is specifically focused on video conference software.
One could say the same of Zoom...
There's Zoom Meetings Client, Zoom Rooms, a desktop app, mobile app, Outlook Plug-in, Browser extension, etc.