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Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#71
post #51

No doubt there are some sour grapes in that article. However, as an American, I feel it's our obligation to honor and respect the fact that without the Russians, we would not have had American astronauts in space for the past 9 years.

But when were they dishonored or disrespected?

> In this connection, I note another strange moment seen in not only the ‘expert’ statements, but also coming from the side of NASA officials — such as Stephanie Schierholz, who have already started making wreaths to bury the Russian Soyuz spacecraft alive.

I’m still trying to find evidence of this event ever happening.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#72
post #3

Is this satire? It appears to be the real Roscosmos website, and yet this press release reads like the response of a child that – in an attempt to suppress tears after being second in a competition – lashes out defensively and throws around insults and excuses. I'm trying to think of a less demeaning adjective, but the most fitting that comes to mind is "butt-hurt".

You probably haven't heard, but recently mr. Rogozin's personal twitter turned into official Roskosmos one overnight. Utterly incompetent as they are, nobody bothered to read or clean up previous tweets after doing this, so for some time you could see some instant classics like "we are russian! god is with us" or a collage of Putin with a tiger and Obama with a puppy with description "we have different values and comrades"[0], all by Roskosmos with the blue checkmark. Hysterical shit if you ask me.

[0] https://leonardo.osnova.io/7764cddc-938a-b05f-ca43-b131fcbcd...

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#73
As a Russian citizen, all I can say is that Rogozin is tiresome. Instead of trolling SpaceX, I'd rather see him address criticisms like this one [0], where Russian engineers talk about the sorry state of our space industry.

Although ultimately there is no mystery here.

The Soviets had a real commitment to science and technology. It was one of the few silver linings of the communist regime. Present day Russia is devoid of that commitment. You can say that lack of funding is the problem (and there is that), but even more troublesome is the apparent lack of leadership. There are no driven, fanatical figures out there trying to set up a vision for the industry. Absent drive from the top, the industry is at best in maintenance mode, trying to keep Soviet heritage pieces flying.

Case in point, Roscosmos hasn't had a space engineer for a director since the early 2000s. Rogozin is a career politician, educated as a journalist. Before Rogozin, Roscosmos was ran by an automaker named Igor Komarov who came from Avtovaz. Before Komarov, there was a string of Army Generals during the 2000s (Gen. Nikolai Ostapenko, Vladimir Popovkin, Anatoly Perminov). Car manufacturers and ICBM generals are not the people who will lobby the political leadership for a basic space program.

Oh well. Whether things will change, I dunno. I think before they do, there has to be a realization at the top that education and science are important. Right now they are playing third fiddle to guns and butter, and all we get are Rogozins whose solution to everything is to put lipstick on a pig.

[0] https://varlamov.ru/3912524.html

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#74
post #4

Wow, there's so much... negativity in this post by Rogozin. It reads like "sour grapes": " Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although it leaped with all its strength. As it went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.'" [a] People who speak disparagingly of the accomplishments of others would do well to apply this…

That's how we know SpaceX is doing a good job competing. Seriously, more than the ESA, and more than Boeing, Russia is SpaceX's strongest competitor. If Rogozin was unruffled and apathetic I'd be wondering if they knew something that SpaceX didn't. The fact that he's upset means that he considers them to be a fully-developed player in the space launch market.

With SpaceX delivering astronauts to the ISS this year, Rogozin lost the last mission type where it was a monopoly. If anybody had hopes that the taxi service would keep them alive even as SpaceX undercut them on delivering mass to orbit those hopes were dashed.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#75

I don't like this person (and our officials in general), but I feel compelled to say, that I find the mockery of his points and all things Russian (in this thread and overall) absolutely disgusting and borderline insulting. Sadly, it's quite typical. The most atrocious example of this mentality is (still, after so many years) US propagandist efforts to make everyone believe, that their participation in the WWII was d…

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure sizeable chunk of that is coming from russians who are very annoyed nothing good can ever happen in modern russia because of people like Rogozin.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#76

I don't like this person (and our officials in general), but I feel compelled to say, that I find the mockery of his points and all things Russian (in this thread and overall) absolutely disgusting and borderline insulting. Sadly, it's quite typical. The most atrocious example of this mentality is (still, after so many years) US propagandist efforts to make everyone believe, that their participation in the WWII was d…

Someone tends to forgot that Germany and Soviet Union started WWWII by joint attack on Poland. Soviet nazi had same color as German nazi.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#77
post #38

I am genuinely confused by the sentiment of my fellow commenters saying that this press release sounds like “satire”, “butt-hurt”, “whiny”, “sour grapes”, and “aggressive” [0][0][1][2][3]. I have the following questions for you all if you have the time to answer them. 1. What should an official press release from an leading official of a country’s national space program read like? If you have one or more examples, th…

I cannot see how you'd be confused, read the article and it seems very clear that the tone is negative, but still I'll bite.

1) Congratulate your fellow scientists for their achievement.

2) It can mention opinions from other scientists, but again, the tone should be at least a little bit less "us vs them".

3) Absolutely, which is why this article is so out of place, the author does even try to give a thumbs up to SpaceX for their work and just rambles about USA/NATO vs Russia.

4) Fair point, but no new developments and improvements mean that the price stays high. Reusable rockets mean that costs will go down and will become more accessible.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#78
I'm not sure why Mr. Rogozin is writing in English and in Forbes, but yes this is mainly aimed at the internal audience.

There's a lot of bitching and moaning in certain Russian circles about how the space program is falling behind and OMG Space-X launched a crewed vehicle, we're all doomed kind of thing.

The reality is that of course Space-X is standing on the shoulders of giants (NASA and US Treasury) and that the Russian space industry, like the rest of the country has had a tough 25 years. I was living in Russia in the early 90s and those were dark times. Space was not a priority then and it is not really a priority now although some progress is being made. As an example: a lot of critical industry and launch facilities literally ended up in different countries overnight.

Also Roscosmos is a government controlled structure and well... there's a reason why NASA had to turn to a private company to get things done. ;)

Now he's probably getting a kick from upstairs and feels he has to write up something like this and genuinely feels like some of the criticism from the peanut gallery is unfair. In the end though, as an outsider now, it looks to me like they are doing a reasonable job all things considering.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

#79
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would have expected a sportsman-like congratulation to the NASA and SpaceX, maybe followed by some intelligent and good-mannered trolling. Something along the lines of Apple's "Welcome IBM. Seriously" ads. This boring and aggressive piece of Cold War rhetoric definitely fits into the recent trend of worsening international relationships (of course the current US administration has its own part in this). But it's st…

He did so in a different press release / tweet here: http://en.roscosmos.ru/21497/ and https://www.twitter.com/Rogozin/status/1267101204674478080 . Full quote below: > Dear @JimBridenstine , it's safe to congratulate you at this point with a successful launch and docking. Bravo! I know how anxious you were for this major event to become a success. I wish @NASA team to successfully finish up reconstructing its nationa…

Krikalev is a legend of course, I wouldn't have expected anything but sportsmanship of him :)

Re: Dmitry Rogozin on SpaceX Crew Dragon Launch

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post #12
post #6

> The new American spacecraft are more than double the weight of a Soyuz while offering only one additional seat. Is this true? The launch mass of a Soyuz capsule is about 7000kg and the SpaceX Crew Dragon Demo-1 launch mass was about 12000kg so not "more than double" however Demo-1 didn't include astronauts. The Crew Dragon can theoretically carry several tonnes of cargo to the ISS in addition to 4 astronauts.

Also, it was originally designed to carry 7 astronauts -- but NASA wanted a different seat position for stress reduction. (I'm kind of glad that it doesn't carry 7, the more people that are on a flight, the more casualties you get if there is a failure).

Just be glad NASA didn't decide to go with the 5 person Apollo capsule configuration.

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