I think Facebook's way of handling the political messages by not interfering is much better than Twitters. I do not want some random person inserting a fact note which corresponds with their view of the world. Facts are very seldom only one sided and it should be up to the readers to comment the tweet or do a google search.
Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow
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#72Walkouts will achieve nothing, but the tragic part of the story is Silicon Valley engineers are sitting on a massive amount of power to affect real change IF they collectively organize, which they have various irrational hang ups about doing. Zuckerberg does not care if 50% of his engineers skip a video meeting. He would greatly care if he found out 50%+ of his SREs were going on strike. But the word union is stigmat…
Some of us have been in unionized industries prior. It also lead to promotion based on years served. Pay scales. And the protection of low performers. Right now engineers have incredible leverage. What do they gain by a union. Don’t like what Facebook is doing. Quit and work elsewhere. There’s plenty of jobs available
Lots of different types of unions exist. Seems silly to throw the idea out because some unions fought for things that aren't popular with this crowd. Instead make a union that fights for the things you want. They are democratic institutions after all.
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Policies that engineers in general truly support are rare. Many engineers - I suspect the majority - just don't feel that strongly about most causes.
It’s hard to feel strongly about any cause when you’re generally intelligent enough to reason Ng about multiple aspects and develop a nuanced understanding. Generally, the less intelligent someone is, the more strongly I observe them feeling about things.
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Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow
#74Walkouts will achieve nothing, but the tragic part of the story is Silicon Valley engineers are sitting on a massive amount of power to affect real change IF they collectively organize, which they have various irrational hang ups about doing. Zuckerberg does not care if 50% of his engineers skip a video meeting. He would greatly care if he found out 50%+ of his SREs were going on strike. But the word union is stigmat…
Some of us have been in unionized industries prior. It also lead to promotion based on years served. Pay scales. And the protection of low performers. Right now engineers have incredible leverage. What do they gain by a union. Don’t like what Facebook is doing. Quit and work elsewhere. There’s plenty of jobs available
> And the protection of low performers.
Witness how many times the policeman who killed George Floyd had complaints against him and was protected by his union.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of us have been in unionized industries prior. It also lead to promotion based on years served. Pay scales. And the protection of low performers. Right now engineers have incredible leverage. What do they gain by a union. Don’t like what Facebook is doing. Quit and work elsewhere. There’s plenty of jobs available
A union leads to exactly what its members want it to lead to. It's a democratic entity.
That's not necessarily a given. To be fair we also technically live in a democracy with a democratic process. Many would argue that the views of the majority are not reflected.
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#76“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Also, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
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#77What is their end goal here? I certainly don’t want Mark Zuckerberg or any of his employees making decisions on what is considered newsworthy, especially on really important stuff like this. Even if you don’t personally like what is being said, the fact that it _is_ being said - and who is saying it - is an important point for people to know.
The next time, it may be your own opinions that they’ll censor: Facebook has far more reach, and has much less journalistic pretensions than any of Murdoch’s properties... you really really don’t want them to start getting involved in politics.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
A union leads to exactly what its members want it to lead to. It's a democratic entity.
This is like saying a political party leads to what it members want it to lead to, since it's a democratic entity. In practice different members want different things, and it easily ends up as political games with mismatched incentives.
So the argument against forming a new political party is that there are political parties that do things you disagree with?
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> Your comment removes so much context that it's nearly deceptive. How much more "context" do you need? You don't go around dispatching the military to shoot at your own citizens, not in a state governed by the rule of law. No amount of civil unrest will let an accountable government get away with that. > Do you propose this behavior should be met with praise and not violence? Please don't put words in my mouth.
>Please don't put words in my mouth. It's a simple question, and I never implied your response either way. Do you think violence by police or military is justified when individuals are setting fire to occupied buildings?
It's the job of the police to de-escalate. Sometimes, this may fail and some harm might be done in the hands of the police. However, being a police officer should never be a free ticket to inflict violence with impunity, and this is what people are advocating for. As for the military, it simply isn't their job to police their own citizens.
Frankly, I don't know why I'm having to say this. I'm just stating the obvious here.
Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow
#80Walkouts will achieve nothing, but the tragic part of the story is Silicon Valley engineers are sitting on a massive amount of power to affect real change IF they collectively organize, which they have various irrational hang ups about doing. Zuckerberg does not care if 50% of his engineers skip a video meeting. He would greatly care if he found out 50%+ of his SREs were going on strike. But the word union is stigmat…
I don't support unions because unions drag everyone's wages to an average (I'd rather be a top performer and be paid accordingly). Also, I've seen first hand the amount of incompetent teachers, police and government employees who are unfireable because of unions. So the concept of a union for me personally means I'll be paid less, be surrounded by unfireable underperformers and have zero incentive to improve my craft…
This viewpoint always seemed silly to me. Actors have a union, yet the variation between highest paid actors and low paid actors is in the hundreds of millions.