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Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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> It has many features other platforms lack, is reasonably privacy-friendly Telegram still has no E2E encryption by default and their official desktop client dont have it either. So it's worth nothing if no one use it. It's not that I have much trust into proprietary fb code, but there are certainly better apps privacy-wise out there.

Email has no E2E and people still use it all the time, for much more sensitive things than get sent over whatsapp and such.

What's your point? I'd rather not assume you're saying "privacy doesn't matter because people don't care about it" or "Email is more private because people think it's more private".

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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Telegram isn’t encrypted at all by default, and its encryption scheme is sketchy.

Eh? It's encrypted by default. Not E2E, though, although that is an option which you can choose to use.

That's a bit disingenuous. Everything is encrypted these days, there's virtually nothing that doesn't use TLS. Therefore, when someone says "encrypted", it's a good bet they mean E2E.

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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Eh? It's encrypted by default. Not E2E, though, although that is an option which you can choose to use.

That's a bit disingenuous. Everything is encrypted these days, there's virtually nothing that doesn't use TLS. Therefore, when someone says "encrypted", it's a good bet they mean E2E.

Telegram non-E2E is more than just TLS, though.

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> It has many features other platforms lack, is reasonably privacy-friendly Telegram still has no E2E encryption by default and their official desktop client dont have it either. So it's worth nothing if no one use it. It's not that I have much trust into proprietary fb code, but there are certainly better apps privacy-wise out there.

Signal

Signal leaks your telephone number to everyone with whom you communicate, which is a privacy disaster before you even send your first message. (Please don't take this as implicit approval for Telegram's approach to secure messaging, but at least they managed not to cock up in such a basic way.)

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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That's a bit disingenuous. Everything is encrypted these days, there's virtually nothing that doesn't use TLS. Therefore, when someone says "encrypted", it's a good bet they mean E2E.

Telegram non-E2E is more than just TLS, though.

What more do they do? I'm not aware.

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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Signal has disappearing messages for this use case. Not the same but the crypto in Signal is so much better (and permanently enabled) it’s hard to argue that Telegram is more secure.

Definately not the same. For a better snapchat—like feature, where you want reasonable protection against your coms partner telegram is way better. Also protects you from screenshots etc (again: reasonable privacy relative to threat model)

does it protect you from taking a picture of your phone?

i'd rather have a foundation of properly functioning, award winning cryptography than "features" designed for people who haven't thought through their threat model sufficiently.

castles made of sand melt into the sea eventually

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You can easily integrate Zigbee devices. The Aqara or Xiaomi door/window sensors for example are cheap and pretty nice.

Thanks! I didn't know Xiaomi made such sensors too. They are definitely one of the brands that I recognize.

Officially, they only work with Mi Home cloud-crap, but there are Zigbee drivers for interfacing with it.

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Thanks! I didn't know Xiaomi made such sensors too. They are definitely one of the brands that I recognize.

Officially, they only work with Mi Home cloud-crap, but there are Zigbee drivers for interfacing with it.

I use a few different devices from them with zigbee2mqtt and it’s working great. It’s perfect for combining devices from different manufacturers and not having to use their individual gateways.

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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> there are certainly better apps privacy-wise out there With significantly worse UX. > still has no E2E encryption by default This doesn't make it not reasonably secure in my mind. While the TG people will be able to access your messages, they can also process them, making stuff like large groups even possible (imagine the distribution hell otherwise). I do tend to think that there's not much of a down side to E2E f…

> This doesn't make it not reasonably secure in my mind. While the TG people will be able to access your messages, they can also process them, making stuff like large groups even possible (imagine the distribution hell otherwise). So your standard for “reasonably secure” communications is Facebook Messenger?

No. You're using the same "if it's not perfect it's worthless" argumentation as GP.

It's not perfect, nothing is. But it makes better compromises than others.

Re: Show HN: TrashEmail – Telegram-based disposable mail service

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Definately not the same. For a better snapchat—like feature, where you want reasonable protection against your coms partner telegram is way better. Also protects you from screenshots etc (again: reasonable privacy relative to threat model)

does it protect you from taking a picture of your phone? i'd rather have a foundation of properly functioning, award winning cryptography than "features" designed for people who haven't thought through their threat model sufficiently. castles made of sand melt into the sea eventually

My threat model with nudes are different from my whistle blowing.

Signal also makes trade offs in order to het crypto to the masses.

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