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Post by dudul »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #64
KorematsuFred wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are over 200k Indians who are stuck on h1b for more than 10 years. Most of which have us born kids. Makes no sense to have a 60 day freeze on h1bs

10 years in the U.S.? I thought the path to citizenship or green card was 5 years, or 7 years at most? This is really not a very fair system.

Each queue is managed by country of origin. Last time I read about it, each country would get, at most, 7% of the available GCs.

What is more fair? A guy from Island waiting 20 years because he is stuck behind 1 billion Indians? Or Indians waiting longer because more of their nationals are applying? Honestly, I don't know, but I know the 7% rule is justified. The idea is to avoid massive inbound diaspora that would be very hard for the country to absorbed culturally.

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Post by gnulinux »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #64
KorematsuFred wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are over 200k Indians who are stuck on h1b for more than 10 years. Most of which have us born kids. Makes no sense to have a 60 day freeze on h1bs

10 years in the U.S.? I thought the path to citizenship or green card was 5 years, or 7 years at most? This is really not a very fair system.

Depends on the country, for people from India or China, 10 years is generous even. For people from other countries ~5 to 7 years sounds normal.

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Post by EGreg »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #42
melling wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is tech unemployment? Still in the single digits?

Sounds like it's still above 0, which means you should be forced to source local talent before you're permitted to source from outside the country. It's so strange to me that this viewport is controversial, but "Buy Local" (which I have yet to encounter someone who is against supporting local businesses) is not. This is the labor version of "Buy Local".

Supporting local businesses, you say? Well then who would be upset by this:

https://www.facebook.com/831551/posts/10109802281855389

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Post by koheripbal »

xwdv wrote: post #31

Good. H-1B is an exploitative system that forces people into something resembling modern slavery, at the cost of American jobs and business opportunities. People who are against this IMO, are mostly concerned with not appearing “racist” or xenophobic in any way. Virtue signal.

My wife started as an H1-B. It's true that she was unpaid and locked into her company, but ultimately it was her path to US citizenship.

She knew exactly what she was getting into - and now she's making higher six figures than I do.

The H1-B program is a choice they can walk away from at any time, which makes it fundamentally different from slavery.

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Post by futurix »

xwdv wrote: post #31

Good. H-1B is an exploitative system that forces people into something resembling modern slavery, at the cost of American jobs and business opportunities. People who are against this IMO, are mostly concerned with not appearing “racist” or xenophobic in any way. Virtue signal.

This is gross generalisation - I know many workers who are hired on H-1B who are getting same (good) pay and conditions as locals.

Cut off the abuse, don't shut down everything for everyone.

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Post by dragonwriter »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #42
melling wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is tech unemployment? Still in the single digits?

Sounds like it's still above 0, which means you should be forced to source local talent before you're permitted to source from outside the country. It's so strange to me that this viewport is controversial, but "Buy Local" (which I have yet to encounter someone who is against supporting local businesses) is not. This is the labor version of "Buy Local".

> It's so strange to me that this viewport is controversial, but "Buy Local" (which I have yet to encounter someone who is against supporting local businesses) is not.

“Buy Local” is so controversial in fact that the US government has entered into international agreements limiting it, which is why, e.g., country of origin labels are being removed from meat products. Capitalism and globalization go fist-in-gauntlet.

The fact that one side is overrepresented in empty PR while the other side operates quietly between the economic elites and the politically powerful obscures the disagreement if you don't pay too much attention.

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Post by [deleted] »

rory096 wrote: post #61
toomuchtodo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like it's still above 0, which means you should be forced to source local talent before you're permitted to source from outside the country. It's so strange to me that this viewport is controversial, but "Buy Local" (which I have yet to encounter someone who is against supporting local businesses) is not. This is the labor version of "Buy Local".

>Sounds like it's still above 0 Because of frictional unemployment, it's neither possible nor desirable for the unemployment rate to reach 0. >which means you should be forced to source local talent before you're permitted to source from outside the country. This is already a requirement; H-1B employers must attest that they can't find an employee domestically and have made a good faith attempt to do so. >It's so str…

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Post by oarsinsync »

debt wrote: post #63
curiousllama wrote: post #16

This is a backdoor immigration cut, nothing more. COVID is irrelevant. Remember that it's not just new entrants that need H1B processing: it's immigrants currently in the country that need to transfer their visa type (e.g., former students moving from OPT to H1B). What, are they supposed to leave or risk being denied a visa forevermore? Not to mention, they've already paused green card processing and shut down most o…

“ high-skilled immigrants anymore.” That’s funny. I don’t see how project managers are highly skilled labor. I don’t see how QA testers are highly skilled labor. But I do see how to get people to work harder for less.

> I don’t see how project managers are highly skilled labor. I don’t see how QA testers are highly skilled labor.

It's unfortunate that you've never worked with a good project manager or good QA testers. The high end of these fields are incredibly highly skilled.

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Post by mxcrossb »

curiousllama wrote: post #16

This is a backdoor immigration cut, nothing more. COVID is irrelevant. Remember that it's not just new entrants that need H1B processing: it's immigrants currently in the country that need to transfer their visa type (e.g., former students moving from OPT to H1B). What, are they supposed to leave or risk being denied a visa forevermore? Not to mention, they've already paused green card processing and shut down most o…

> Not to mention, they've already paused green card processing

This one is personal for me. I have a good friend who had been in the US for like a decade, and finally his green card application was going through before the pandemic hit. What’s going to happen to him? Are you going to leave him visa-less during a pandemic, and kick him out of the country on whatever few flights are available? Is his company supposed to magically rebound when they’ve just lost a key worker with tons of experience?

Throughout the campaign cycle this president motivated his supporters by talking about illegal immigration. Yet at every opportunity, they instead reduce legal immigration.

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Post by MichaelApproved »

rory096 wrote: post #61
toomuchtodo wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like it's still above 0, which means you should be forced to source local talent before you're permitted to source from outside the country. It's so strange to me that this viewport is controversial, but "Buy Local" (which I have yet to encounter someone who is against supporting local businesses) is not. This is the labor version of "Buy Local".

>Sounds like it's still above 0 Because of frictional unemployment, it's neither possible nor desirable for the unemployment rate to reach 0. >which means you should be forced to source local talent before you're permitted to source from outside the country. This is already a requirement; H-1B employers must attest that they can't find an employee domestically and have made a good faith attempt to do so. >It's so str…

> * H-1B employers must attest that they can't find an employee domestically and have made a good faith attempt to do so.*

How effectively is this enforced? The arguments against these visa is that companies know how to game this requirement. They specifically write job descriptions in a way that’ll fail to find someone locally, so they can hire cheaper immigrant labor.

And cheaper isn’t just lower salaries, they’ll also cause fewer waves and be more accommodating. An employee who depends on your employment to stay in the country is more likely to put up with abuse.

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