German man living at Delhi airport since March 18 • Hacker News Board

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by stareatgoats » Mon, May 11, 2020, 1:42 PM UTC

supernova87a wrote: post #8

You read these headline grabbing stories, also like the one about the couple stranded in Tahiti during this virus, or the original actual guy behind "The Terminal" movie -- and you usually find out that the story is almost always one of bad judgement combined with somewhat unusual circumstances that they aren't trying to avoid like a normal person would. Sometimes the news tries to make it seem like they were unwitti…

You're probably right. "The Terminal" is still a wonderful feel-good movie though. "Medicine for goat" :-D

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by Cthulhu_ » Mon, May 11, 2020, 1:43 PM UTC

foepys wrote: post #4

I dont know if it's still the case but in Frankfurt some people were also stuck in transit for weeks. Their counties couldn't take them back because they weren't able to organize flights.

Yup, it's taken some people a month to get back home, and that usually involved negotiations between countries and special flights.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by TheAdamAndChe » Mon, May 11, 2020, 1:44 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #65

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that your perspective is vastly different from most people on this site, and I do appreciate your input. Without people like you speaking up, certain issues would never be addressed. My only request is that you avoid emotional and logical amplification of reality. Using terms like mansplaining and whitesplaining, and using phrases like "And, also, if you had any sense, you would have been born a differen…

Using terms like mansplaining and whitesplaining As noted above, I don't generally use those terms. You are "using" them yourself currently by including them in your comment telling me I am wrong to "use" them. There's a pandemic on and I haven't slept. I don't really care to discuss this further with you. But for the record I don't think you have any right whatsoever to "request" that I behave in accordance with you…

As noted above, I don't generally use those terms.

The fact that you don't generally use those terms doesn't change the fact that you used the terms in your parent comment above.

I don't think you have any right whatsoever to "request" that I behave in accordance with your wishes while leveling BS accusations in an uncharitable reading of my comment

You are right, it isn't the most charitable way to interpret your comment, but there are some speech patterns that tend to cause division and flamewar, if not now then later. They tend to attack or denegrate identity groups of some kind. The phrasing I keep point out is harmful because it attacks such identity groups and is damaging to the community in my opinion. That is why I keep bringing up those portions of your argument. I understand if you want to disengage, and I hope you sleep well.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by mratsim » Mon, May 11, 2020, 2:12 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #64

pw6hv wrote: post #62

Not related to the topic: I have Firefox set to block autoplay, nevertheless the video in the middle of this article just play when I scroll down. Is it happening to someone else? How can websites bypass Firefox configuration?

JavaScript. Web browser controls only work if the page uses the standard APIs. Much of the reason browser's don't block simple things is that advertisers will happily write a memory-hogging CPU-hogging virtual machine to force the feature to run anyway. You can't win by trying to control what hostile code does after you let it run. Block untrusted domains from running code on your machine.

It's probably easier to run a JS script to mine crypto than a virtual machine to run a video ad though.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M » Mon, May 11, 2020, 2:19 PM UTC

theklub wrote: post #58

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany would be happy to have him board a flight to Germany, where he would be arrested on arrival, the problem is that there are (now) no flights at all. India is unwilling to let a convicted criminal in the country, but he has committed no crimes on Indian soil, so they're not arresting him. In a scenario like this there's very little the German embassy can do, it's not like they have their own private jail ready.…

At what point does living in a airport become a crime?

It's not, and that's why the Indian authorities are letting him stay there.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by vinay427 » Mon, May 11, 2020, 2:24 PM UTC

Torwald wrote: post #43

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany would be happy to have him board a flight to Germany, where he would be arrested on arrival, the problem is that there are (now) no flights at all. India is unwilling to let a convicted criminal in the country, but he has committed no crimes on Indian soil, so they're not arresting him. In a scenario like this there's very little the German embassy can do, it's not like they have their own private jail ready.…

> but he has committed no crimes on Indian soil, so they're not arresting So India and Germany have no extradition agreement? If so, probably the reason why this guy is in India.

The article says he was traveling between Hanoi and Istanbul. Unless he perfectly timed the cancelation of flights between India and Turkey, he was not intending to stay in India.

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Post by ThinkingGuy » Mon, May 11, 2020, 2:31 PM UTC

Seb-C wrote: post #41

I actually read `March 2018` at first. This is not as scary as the story of Mr Mehran Karimi Nasseri (guy who spent 18 years stuck in an airport). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM4ZpJOAY4k

Yeah, I was surprised that the article made a reference to the movie loosely based on Nasseri, but not to the actual story.

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Post by dijit » Mon, May 11, 2020, 2:45 PM UTC

theklub wrote: post #58

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany would be happy to have him board a flight to Germany, where he would be arrested on arrival, the problem is that there are (now) no flights at all. India is unwilling to let a convicted criminal in the country, but he has committed no crimes on Indian soil, so they're not arresting him. In a scenario like this there's very little the German embassy can do, it's not like they have their own private jail ready.…

At what point does living in a airport become a crime?

If the airport were to "close to the public" for any reason he could be considered as a Trespasser.

Heathrow (for example)[0] has a problem with homeless people sleeping there, if they're warned by security staff and found again then they're considered trespassers, and trespass is illegal.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdAVn5JWkhs

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, May 11, 2020, 2:45 PM UTC

moises_silva wrote: post #59

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #55

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> telling someone you just should have done it differently boils down to dismissing the very real impact their race/gender/sexual orientation/whatever has on their life. Race and gender may still play a role, but acting like it is the determining factor in one's life is too much. People have agency over their lives, and can make choices to make their situations better. The fact that someone is white or male does not…

> but acting like it is the determining factor in one's life is too much I did not read that at all. This is the key message IMHO: > If you are the "wrong kind of person" for some reason, misfortune comes at a much higher cost than for other people. In the US, white people generally suffer lighter consequences than people of color for the same mistakes. Men are generally judged less harshly than women for various thi…

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Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by bluGill » Mon, May 11, 2020, 2:47 PM UTC

chosenbreed37 wrote: post #47

vinay427 wrote: post #38

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He's not prohibited from returning for legal reasons. He's prevented at the moment due to an apparent lack of (direct?) flights. This isn't a normal issue with some German citizen stuck abroad who failed to register. As far as I can tell from the article, he was not planning to return to Germany as he is wanted for a crime there, and was on his way to Turkey through India when India-Turkey flights were canceled. I im…

> I imagine Indian authorities would have to cooperate with the German embassy once a flight that is to their satisfaction is available to put him on the flight. Can they really compel him to board a flight to Germany against his will? I mean technically he's still in-transit and not actually under Indian jurisdiction...

Depends. Most countries have extradition treaties. If someone is wanted in a different country they will arrest them and send them over even though they are not accused of a local crime.

I don't know if Germany/India has one. I would expect it though, most countries figure if you are a criminal you are more likely to commit another crime so better let someone else deal with you before then. Thus such treaties are pretty universal.

There are confounding situations here though. Most countries won't make an international incident over what they consider a minor crime: if Germany hasn't asked India, India is stuck unable to arrest someone they might not want to. Also both countries have to agree on the crimes, if India doesn't consider what he is accused of immoral (seems unlikely), or they dislike the legal punishment they don't have to do anything. Many countries won't extradite murders to the US until the US agrees not to seek the death penalty.