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San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by einpoklum »

dpeck wrote: post #6

anecdotal, but I know some young folks who are planning to pack it up and head out after their contractually obligated time is over and their lease is up. My younger sibling, like many, is very annoyed that their early years of marriage without kids/california adventure is mostly being stuck in a 800 sqft apt and occasionally walking the dog. They love the bay, but having the small apartments combined with quarantine…

What is an "800 soft" apartment? ... Oh, do you mean 800 square feet? For non-US readers: That's 74.3 m^2 (square meters), but that figure could:

* include/not include walls

* include/not include balconies

etc.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by voldacar »

fosk wrote: post #13

> But there are many reasons why the region could finally be experiencing a shrinking population: And yet the author is missing the elephant in the room: the incredibly deteriorating living conditions in a city crammed with drug addicts, human feces and casual violent aggressions at all hours of the day. A city that enables the "homeless lifestyle" without any accountability. Homelessness is - for the most part in Sa…

As someone who has never lived in SF but vaguely heard of their issues with homelessness, that article is super eye-opening. It talks about city bureaucrats and homeless advocacy organizations, but not so much the attitude of the general public. Aren't democracies supposed to have feedback loops that will eventually solve this problem? If they haven't gotten there already, at what point will the general SF citizenry get pissed off enough to elect leaders focused on fixing this?

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Post by notafraudster »

pmiller2 wrote: post #38
beambot wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The outbound relocation effect went from 57% to 90%. I suspect that 1200 samples is more than enough to demonstrate strong statistical confidence intervals. (Though I haven't run the numbers.)

They are if they're a representative sample. Margin of error is bounded by 1/sqrt(n) in that case.

That MOE would be extremely conservative given that the proportion of interest is far from p=0.5; the classical MOE would be +- 1.96 * sqrt(0.9 * 0.1 / 1200) = +- 1.697% -- but of course it's not a representative sample as you mention.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by ueueshitashita »

thrownaway954 wrote: post #57
aaomidi wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you propose to solve said drug addiction and homeless lifestyle?

give them the compassion and support that any one of us deserves as human beings. if they are mental ill, then get them on the medication they need. if they want a job, give them one. if they are on drugs, get them into a program like NA and give them the medication to combat the withdrawl. everyone deserves the help the desire. there is no reason why we should putting each other down.

> if they are mental ill, then get them on the medication they need.

What if they don't want to be on medication?

> if they are on drugs, get them into a program like NA and give them the medication to combat the withdrawl.

What if they have no interest in doing that?

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Post by ayberk »

opportune wrote: post #19
MattGaiser wrote: post #5

A friend considered it after graduation. 3500 a month for a place in rent. Eventually even with tech salaries that doesn’t make sense. He went to Seattle.

Should note that's basically the price for a full 1b to yourself in a nice and convenient area in the city. Most people who move here after graduation are probably paying closer to half that due to living with roommates/not in the super convenient and expensive areas.

That's still crazy. I live 10-min walk away from downtown and SLU (where Amazon campus is) in Seattle and pay a friction of that for a nice 1bd (and still think it's too expensive).

SF is crazy.

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Post by einpoklum »

fosk wrote: post #13

> But there are many reasons why the region could finally be experiencing a shrinking population: And yet the author is missing the elephant in the room: the incredibly deteriorating living conditions in a city crammed with drug addicts, human feces and casual violent aggressions at all hours of the day. A city that enables the "homeless lifestyle" without any accountability. Homelessness is - for the most part in Sa…

> enables the "homeless lifestyle" without any accountability

You mean by not having public housing?

> Homelessness is - for the most part in San Francisco - a choice and/or a result of mental illness and drug addiction.

It's obviously not a choice. It's also not the result of mental illness nor of drug addiction, at least for the most part, as people suffering from mental illness or addicted to some drug also don't want to be homeless and stuck on the streets. And while they are somewhat more likely to lose their house due to mis-managing their life - it is much much more likely to happen when they have no social support: Medical care-givers (no such thing by default in the US), neighborhood/community associations (not much of that in most cities), families etc.

> where are my rights as a lawful tax payer who cannot bring his son to the park without risking his life by stepping on a needle?

Your right is not catered to by social institutions, and municipal ones in particular, who are acting as though homelessness should be addressed by suppressing/harassing the homeless rather than ensuring people have homes.

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Post by fennecfoxen »

landryraccoon wrote: post #25
fosk wrote: post #13

> But there are many reasons why the region could finally be experiencing a shrinking population: And yet the author is missing the elephant in the room: the incredibly deteriorating living conditions in a city crammed with drug addicts, human feces and casual violent aggressions at all hours of the day. A city that enables the "homeless lifestyle" without any accountability. Homelessness is - for the most part in Sa…

High housing costs are probably a causal factor in all of the problems you mention. When housing costs are as exorbitant as they are, everyone is much closer to homelessness than they were before. If someone is laid off in the bay, they have significantly less time to find a new job before they cannot afford housing compared to more affordable areas. Once you are actually homeless, mental problems and drug issues can…

> a choice

This claim is stronger in San Francisco specifically than it is nationwide. The city has been a Mecca for drug culture for a long time, and its current public policy barely recognizes the drug abuse of its homeless persons as a problem, except when it’s time to mitigate the spread of HIV with needle exchanges.

“Used needles on the playground equipment” is a very-specifically San Francisco complaint.

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Post by fosk »

renewiltord wrote: post #67
fosk wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is no housing available, then why are illegal immigrants tolerated which would arguably make the problem worse? It makes no sense.

Because no one can demonstrate it makes an appreciable impact, and the cost is that we get ghettos where no one will report crime. So we don’t do it.

So - as a result of your logic - you suggest that we allow crime and illegal aliens?

We know it does make an impact because the police department regularly arrests them (since they cause negativities in the community) and regularly the courts release them so that they can go back to the same street corner to keep selling death.

San Francisco truly is a law-less place.

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Post by aaomidi »

eanzenberg wrote: post #40
aaomidi wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you propose to solve said drug addiction and homeless lifestyle?

Outlaw street-level drug use.

And how does that help? You're just sending anyone undesirable to prison?

How about, and this is a wild idea, we just require housing to be a natural right and we give people that?

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Post by aaomidi »

renewiltord wrote: post #52
fosk wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well for starters, not allowing open air drug dealing and arresting illegal drug dealers in the streets. Cooperating with ICE, and so on. Starting to take action against homeless that do refuse housing because they enjoy the homeless lifestyle, which in turn will make it less attractive for non-native homeless to come to San Francisco.

Cooperating with ICE to send these people back to America where they come from? My, my, San Francisco’s atavistic parochialism is really something but calling ones fellow Americans illegal immigrants. That’s good.

I knew these comments are racist dog whistles. It's so sad how San Francisco went from the cradle of counter culture to...this.
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