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Why does big always become evil?

Maybe it's that capitalism is incompatible with morality and the government isn't doing it's job to force behaviors that are necessary, but not aligned with capitalism.

It's not just capitalism. It's actually any society that is wholly reliant on subjugating individuals to produce goods and services for society.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody "fetishizes" small business. This sounds like big corporation mouthpiece rhetoric. Big business is responsible for wealth concentration and irresponsible economics that hurt everyone. The alternative? Small business. It's easy to see why people might prefer a reality where small businesses continue to exist. Not everyone likes the Orwell novel we're writing.

"fetishize" is probably the wrong word, but people are certainly a lot more sympathetic towards small businesses. in my city, people are donating tens of thousands of dollars to local businesses that are closed due to coronavirus. can you imagine someone donating money to keep walmart afloat? as an aside, I've read that jacobin article before and I find it to be a bit myopic. a large part of why small businesses offe…

That doesn't make the citizens ill-informed or delusional. The donators think the existence of small businesses provide a benefit to society beyond bottom lines. Small businesses always so close to sinking, so conditions will be worse for workers. Small business workers don't need to be in The Party though, and their social credit score won't come into play. One storm could sink every small business, leaving only big businesses to cover the entire market. Businesses that have gone unchecked for half a century and are big enough to keep legislation in regulatory capture.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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post #63
post #25

Why does big always become evil?

Why does everyone assume the actions of the little guy are always morally superior than the actions of the big corporation? I haven't delved into the details of this specific case but this reaction is typical regardless of the facts it seems. The big company is always the evil one and the employees are always little enslaved saints. Edit: Whoops this comment could have been made less controversially - I wish everyone…

When one side has all the power and the other side has none, to pretend that the benefit of the doubt accrues equally to both is an act of moral cowardice.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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post #25

Why does big always become evil?

> Why does big always become evil? Diffusion of responsibility [1]. I hypothesise the frequency of deliberate evil is similar among companies big and small. What's more frequent with large companies is unchecked sporadic harm. Over time, that accumulates into uncoördinated patterns of behavior. These patterns would get called out in a smaller company. Social mores almost force us to. But those mores get washed out in…

I think more importantly is that there are legal and organizational structures (General Counsel, HR, lobbyists etc...) that are introduced at a certain point in a companies lifecycle that prevent external costs from being imposed.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In someways small companies have more potential to be evil, because they often fly "under the radar". "We shouldn’t fetishize mom and pop operations. They offer lower wages, skimpier benefits, and inferior labor protections." See: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/01/small-businesses-workers-...

Nobody "fetishizes" small business. This sounds like big corporation mouthpiece rhetoric. Big business is responsible for wealth concentration and irresponsible economics that hurt everyone. The alternative? Small business. It's easy to see why people might prefer a reality where small businesses continue to exist. Not everyone likes the Orwell novel we're writing.

Big business is also responsible for economies of scale. A small mom and pop shop can't really scale the same way a big business does. Another added benefit is that we get to regulate the products much more without swamping the business in costs they can't afford.

So I'm not sure that big business is really "responsible for irresponsible economics that hurts everyone".

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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In my opinion, it won’t do anyone any good for him to quit “in solidarity with” the fired workers. If he wants the situation to improve, he should remain VP and use his power to help make things better. Now he‘ll probably just be replaced with someone who is less sympathetic to the workers.

Holding an individual accountable for fixing a massive enterprise is absurd. Resigning over intolerable positions is an honorable and effective way to confront a situation that is unacceptable.

It's an effective way to state your case especially if your position or notoriety is such that it will attract attention.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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post #63
post #25

Why does big always become evil?

Why does everyone assume the actions of the little guy are always morally superior than the actions of the big corporation? I haven't delved into the details of this specific case but this reaction is typical regardless of the facts it seems. The big company is always the evil one and the employees are always little enslaved saints. Edit: Whoops this comment could have been made less controversially - I wish everyone…

>Why does everyone assume the actions of the little guy are always morally superior than the actions of the big corporation

Simple. Morality is a human trait and corporations are not human beings.

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