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Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by DuskStar »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #24
ComputerGuru wrote: post #7

It’s hard to believe that every nation with an airforce doesn’t already have some sort of protocol in place about what to do if you see a flying object not flying any known colors that you cannot hail on radio. Edit: unless they all do dating back to the Cold War, and it’s “shoot first, ask questions later.”

The Cold War was anything but “shoot first, ask questions later”... hence the “cold”.

There's a few airliners that would disagree with you there. KAL007, for starters.

Not to mention legitimate targets like Gary Powers.

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by highlysyntropic »

jiggawatts wrote: post #17
m3kw9 wrote: post #12

I find it curious that all unclassified UFO videos are blurry and very hard to decipher

Currently, the human race has several billion cameras readily available to take footage of rare occurrences. Not just mobile phones, but think also of CCTV security cameras, dash cams, etc... The simple logical conclusion is that footage of rare but real events ought to be more readily available. And in fact, that's exactly what's observed! There is now a wide variety of high quality videos to choose from, if what yo…

Yeah, nice try but this is pretty much fake news. There are good quality videos of anomalous objects:

https://www.higgypop.com/news/is-the-utah-ufo-fake/

https://www.unilad.co.uk/science/drone-footage-shows-ufo-tra...

https://youtu.be/AKC_Iaw9EN4?t=199

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrAntonioUrzi/videos

https://www.youtube.com/user/myparanormalufostory/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyDQ-v0N1p0

And some man-made "TR-3B Astra" triangle footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnUpJw5sahg&feature=emb_titl...

Which is IR. I think the IR videos are the most promising, since high quality IR tech is restricted and optical camo could explain why sightings happen infrequently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XevJR7biQE8

Also, the interviews about Navy/5gon UFO videos have stated that the original footage was much higher resolution and showed some "protuberances" coming from the TicTac, like landing struts or whatever. The also said that the released footage was much lower resolution and also that it was unlikely the radar data would ever be released (but in other cases, JAL, Belgium, there have been radar data of anomalous objects released).

I don't think it's surprising that it's hard to get great quality footage of high tech things like this.

For the following reasons:

- the large number of cameras you mention are mostly low quality cameras

- the objects are supposed to be very fast

- the objects are often very far away

- the object might use optical camo

For example, if you are sitting on the ground in high visibility day with bright sunlight and you see a 737 in the sky at 10km it will look like a mostly translucent white speck. The obvious thing will be the contrail.

If you have an object smaller than that, faster than that, and even higher than that, you'll have a worse image.

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by [deleted] »

tofof wrote: post #23

It occurs to me that, should extraterrestrial life exist - we might be more likely to be visited first by rules-flouting rogue individuals than by an official mission. This also neatly explains problems like the "aliens have interstellar travel, but not spectroscopy and can be stopped by wooden doors" mentioned elsewhere in the comments -- A couple of good ol' boys off to deface a nature preserve (Earth to our aliens…

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Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by blackrock »

kart23 wrote: post #52
MarcScott wrote: post #22

I thought this was a pretty good explanation of the 3 sightings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus

It doesnt say anything about the radar readings recieved, or the pilots reactions. You dont think these navy pilots know what planes look like on their radar and thermals? Mutiple ship and aircraft radar picked up consistent readings, movements, speeds that simply weren't possible. Personally, I think it's some black-budget government project that somebody wasn't supposed to reveal. It might be from us, it might be f…

The radar and thermals are still electronic. It might have registered a glitch, that appeared to look like an unknown object on the displays.

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by ohvirginia »

tofof wrote: post #23

It occurs to me that, should extraterrestrial life exist - we might be more likely to be visited first by rules-flouting rogue individuals than by an official mission. This also neatly explains problems like the "aliens have interstellar travel, but not spectroscopy and can be stopped by wooden doors" mentioned elsewhere in the comments -- A couple of good ol' boys off to deface a nature preserve (Earth to our aliens…

Gimme a break. The "problems" you mention in "other comments" come from someone talking about a fiction: War of the Worlds.

But if you're going to discuss the hypotheticals, like why they might visit or reveal themselves or not, I think it's interesting.

Why assume they would just show themselves openly?

Sure, people use the lack of "public open mass contact" to dispute that ETs exist. But that's only 1 theory that fits that data point (but doesn't fit the centuries of accounts, and now video evidence of sky vehicles).

I think it's interesting to consider many other reasons why we have not had "mass open contact":

- humans are idiots and we're not worth the effort. Has a representative of any country ever gone to an ant hill and done an official representation species-to-species? But actually ants are pretty clever, so it does not do them justice.

- maybe they're private and sensitive, and scared of our germs.

- maybe they're just not very sociable. They prefer to stick with their own kind.

- maybe they don't care that it would be a "big thing" for Earth/humanity. To them, using portals to travel the universe is not a big thing.

- maybe they are doing "secret surveillance" to observe the Earth lifeforms and they don't want to distort the data by interacting

- It would mess us up to much. Prime directive.

- Our world government thinks it would mess us up/ mess up the status quo too much, and they negotiated a "stay" on open contact.

- The ETs have no interest in suppressing nor promoting us, they just use Earth/Moon/Solar system as some sort of transit point, and openly revealing themselves would complicate their goals.

- There has been mass contact, in small stages, but it's been so muddied by disinfo and shaming that people think there hasn't been.

You can spend all day thinking about reasons for and against. It's fun, but it doesn't address the video evidence and "contact" accounts. Why not a #"Me Too" moment for UFO contactees? Doesn't everyone have a right to be heard and believed before being subjected to further scrutiny and investigation in order to establish believability?

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by jotm »

mulberrybush wrote: post #61
elliekelly wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven’t stopped thinking about this since the American missionary was killed by the uncontacted Sentinelese people. What if Earth is the uncontacted & protected community of the galaxy?

Once Zefram Cochrane hits warp 1 the Vulcans will reveal themselves

Ah fork, here comes WW3 and the Eugenic Wars...

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by simonh »

kart23 wrote: post #52
MarcScott wrote: post #22

I thought this was a pretty good explanation of the 3 sightings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus

It doesnt say anything about the radar readings recieved, or the pilots reactions. You dont think these navy pilots know what planes look like on their radar and thermals? Mutiple ship and aircraft radar picked up consistent readings, movements, speeds that simply weren't possible. Personally, I think it's some black-budget government project that somebody wasn't supposed to reveal. It might be from us, it might be f…

>It doesnt say anything about the radar readings recieved, or the pilots reactions.

To be fair, for the last video which shows telemetry data on the screen, he does explain what it means and how it shows that the object being tracked is actually stationary or moving very slowly.

As for the highly trained professional pilot's reactions, check out this breakdown of that last video, in which the pilots are freaking out. It show from the visual data readouts that it's a small object slightly above ambient temperature that's about 1m across flying very slowly at about 2k altitude. Oh and if you look closely at the object, you can see slow rhythmic oscillations, known in the technical community as 'flapping'.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by 3131s »

jml7c5 wrote: post #21
nocube wrote: post #10

Perhaps these are truly unidentified objects but you can’t ignore the sophistication of the scams associated with UFOs. There are elaborate hoaxes that require a serious amount of work, sometimes allegedly leaking classified information to mix into it. For example, Project Serpo, some conspiracy theory about a secret space mission in the 1960-1970s. Somehow decades later this convinced a well known former CIA employe…

Do you know of any good resources (documentaries, books, etc) on this sort of thing? (Particularly anything about government spending on pseudoscience.) After those Navy UFO videos were released and I learned that the crank Harold Puthoff was involved, it became a much more interesting story. I'm surprised there isn't a book about the whole weird saga.

Definitely check out the documentary "Mirage Men" mentioned by the parent comment.

Re: Japan to Draw Up UFO Encounter Protocols After U.S. Footage

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Post by [deleted] »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #24
ComputerGuru wrote: post #7

It’s hard to believe that every nation with an airforce doesn’t already have some sort of protocol in place about what to do if you see a flying object not flying any known colors that you cannot hail on radio. Edit: unless they all do dating back to the Cold War, and it’s “shoot first, ask questions later.”

The Cold War was anything but “shoot first, ask questions later”... hence the “cold”.

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