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#71

I cant wait till we inevitably see a #1 hit that is NN generated. Interesting question is who will get paid?

IANAL, but it strikes me as pretty obvious that the owner of the NN is the owner of the copyright on any works created by the NN with the important qualification that training the NN on works copyrighted by others could possibly be considered by the courts to be infringement.

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#72
What's the evaluation criteria for this work? How do I know if a piece of computer generated music is good or bad in general? What effect does human involvement have on the evaluation?

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#73
In no way do I mean to take away from the really great work of these researchers, but there is one thing here that people should be aware of. By using karaoke style lyrics, this scientific study invalidates itself and the credibility of those that went forward with publishing it. By reading the lyrics while listening to the audio, the brain will automatically convince the listener that the audio result is better than it is. What is the proof for this? Well, look no further than the infamous Yanny/Laurel audio clip. When you read the word "Yanny" or "Laurel" at the frame rate of the audio, your brain switches between two different auditory suggestions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanny_or_Laurel

There is also a scientific precedence that refutes these findings, which is called the McGurk effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGurk_effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_perception#Music-langua...

These researchers may not be to blame for this, but they really should have been honest in their conclusion.

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#74
post #5

I predict that in very near future you just write funny lyrics, select the style and vocalist you want and you get good sounding mediocre music. Then we hear it in - private events like weddings. - social media creators make their own music to go with their funny videos. Cheap theme music for streamers and podcasters. - Advertising. Shopping centres make lyrics that advertise products and play them to you as pop song…

On Advertising: targetted advertising can go a lot of places with this. Even in shopping centres you can target their demographic

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#75

What's the evaluation criteria for this work? How do I know if a piece of computer generated music is good or bad in general? What effect does human involvement have on the evaluation?

> How do I know if a piece of computer generated music is good or bad in general?

How do you tell if any piece of art is good or bad?

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#76
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, The "data" being used to generate real human music is the human condition ... so anything trained on a featurized low dimensional representation of that will ultimately be derivative. Image and sound are ultimately related to feeling ... and it is those feelings that give us humanity -- not the ability to think and manipulate symbols (though that was not apparent to me until this current AI revolution)

So it sounds like the old goalpost problem of AI. Once you realize an AI can do something then this something is no longer what it means to be human?

I think we will soon find that what really makes us "human" is the shared chemo-biological composition of our selves with the rest of the ecosystem and evolutionary hierarchy.

When you cuddle a puppy you can actually smell the infant hormones on them... why... because we share evolutionary biology. How do you teach a computer to do that?

You can think of the body as "data" and the brain as nothing more than a database that let's you query it. AI might give a better database... but until it gets the same chemo-informatic data... well good luck.

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#77
post #50

In my view, attempts like this misunderstand much of the point of music. That is, to communicate aspects of human life that are deeply interwoven with facts and experiences outside of the music itself. I don't see how any of that will be possible before we have some kind of general AI, and in the meantime I think these attempts will continue to be semantically empty, even unsettling in their emptiness.

> to communicate aspects of human life that are deeply interwoven with facts and experiences

So a computer communicating the aspects of its life based on the facts and experiences it has been fed is any less valid?

If turtles spontaneously developed human-level intelligence and created music, would it "miss the point of music" for not conveying human experinces?

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#78
This might be onto something!

Just listen to this from 30s: https://soundcloud.com/openai_audio/pop-rock-in-the-6355437/...

Such coherent and pleasing melodic phrases in the style of Avril Lavigne. I thought it could be copying wholesale from a song unknown to me. Nope. Shazam doesn't get it.

This can revolutionize song writing/composition/production and soon music listening/consumption.

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#80
I wonder why the most obvious music genra for this kinda of thing is not mentioned, I'm talking about any electronic music subgenra
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