Excellent counterpoint from r/AskHistorians (paragraph breaks added for legibility): [1] > Cross-cultural psychologists have observed that, regardless of cultural background, people who suffer persistent emotional disturbances in the wake of a traumatic event exhibit intrusive memory symptoms in some form. Here in the US, these are closely related to what we commonly call "flashbacks." For the Romans, people experien…
Plus there has been strong indicators that other animals can suffer from PTSD e.g. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ejn.12860
Was there PTSD in the ancient or medieval world?
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Re: Was there PTSD in the ancient or medieval world?
#72Today we have much less violence than ever before, we live more comfortable lives, people are healthier and mistreating others is often illegal and pushed back against from both governments and the population itself.
Because of that people who experience horrible events are less likely to have anyone around them with that shared experience.
We have, afaik, less occurrence of PTSD when something horrible happens to an entire community, and less mental illness when an entire community is facing a difficult situation.
But for an individual experiencing horrible and horrifying events you not only have the event itself, but a total lack of anyone even remotely close to having had the same experience.
I have a relative with diagnosed (you really have to specify it) PTSD and I have absolutely no experience remotely close to the ones this person has faced, in an environment where there was no escape (family). Afterwards noone seem to understand their reactions, fears (people, loud noises) and feelings, but apparently feel that they are qualified to give advice and to just do things because 'there is no way you are actually physically being limited by your body and I know exactly how you feel because I have the exact same because my dad used to yell at me when I refused to take out the trash now and then'.
This reaction is of course commonplace online, and online help groups have plenty of undiagnosed people who don't seem to be limited in any unusual way or have had any traumatic event, but who then cause stress for those who don't have coworkers or friends or can go do things in public and who really need the online space.
But it's also closer to the reaction and acting most people in real life have to it, and in some cases even mental health professionals, than it is to having had a similar experience.
There just seems to be a too large gap between people who have it average by todays standards and thise who've faced horrible traumas.
I notice a lot of stress in my daily life today with the covid-19 pandemic, where I'm in Sweden where life seems to be going along as normal, while I'm in three separate risk groups, two for serious illnesses and one for the immunosupressants used to treat them, and where I get questioned by my doctors, friends and family as to why I don't want to go to thr clinic or socialize. I can't walk further than a block away because noone keeps any distance and joggers come brushing by from behind. It feels like this is also caused by the different experience. "Why can't they keep their distance, aren't we supposed to do that? Why do they assume I'm not in a risk group and assume that none they see could possibly be?". And this is still an experience they know a lot of people are having and know a lot about through media.
I just think having others that you share your overall experience with helps a lot, and with much better lives in average the distance between those who have it OK and those who have it the worst has increased.
Re: Was there PTSD in the ancient or medieval world?
#73I would suggest that some forms of medieval entertainment would cause PTSD in a modern person. From public executions, through bear baiting[1] and cat torture[2]. The (unstated) assumption the people in the past "were just like us" emotionally, deserves closer scrutiny. I believe that the magnitude of trauma inflicted by a certain experience is relative to what is considered to be the norm in the time and place. The…
Re: Was there PTSD in the ancient or medieval world?
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the other hand a lot of people today can watch super intense horror movies which probably would have traumatized ancient people.
One is real, with sights and smells linked to millennia of instinct and the knowledge that you yourself are the primary agent of what is occurring to the livestock. The other you know is fiction which you can criticize the script, special effects, and cinematography of from a comfortable chair, often with friends. I don't think the two really compare.
Re: Was there PTSD in the ancient or medieval world?
#75On a related note, a while ago I read a little about how ancient families coped with the deaths of their children. My takeaway, pretty much cribbed from this article [1], was that such deaths produced less trauma than they would today because: (1) More families lost children. This lessened the trauma because a family could talk to other nearby families who had experienced the same thing. Those families would also be…
You don't even need to go to the ancient world to see this. A rudimentary look at genealogy will show you that even in the 19th century. If a child under 2 dies, you'll often see reuse of that name for the next child. There were cultural standards, particularly in Europe, around naming children after paternal and maternal grandparents and so forth (such that often you can tell what number a child was by their name if…
The roles we switch so dynamically, where once a heave cloth you doned once your life and then wore them till the end.
Re: Was there PTSD in the ancient or medieval world?
#76On a related note, a while ago I read a little about how ancient families coped with the deaths of their children. My takeaway, pretty much cribbed from this article [1], was that such deaths produced less trauma than they would today because: (1) More families lost children. This lessened the trauma because a family could talk to other nearby families who had experienced the same thing. Those families would also be…
https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-strange-powe...
Re: Was there PTSD in the ancient or medieval world?
#77I would suggest that some forms of medieval entertainment would cause PTSD in a modern person. From public executions, through bear baiting[1] and cat torture[2]. The (unstated) assumption the people in the past "were just like us" emotionally, deserves closer scrutiny. I believe that the magnitude of trauma inflicted by a certain experience is relative to what is considered to be the norm in the time and place. The…
I can relate to not being traumatized with any of those practices but at the same time being easily traumatized from watching the dismembering of a close family member; that is to say that is not only the nature of the act that traumatize us but to whom is done.
Re: Was there PTSD in the ancient or medieval world?
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would like to raise a frame challenge: what if instead trauma was ubiquitous? It's not fatal and rarely debilitating. It does affect people's happiness and behaviour throughout their lives. It does not leave traces in the bones or DNA. How would we find an un-traumatized person in a world where injury, sickness and death were far more prevalent at all ages? Much traditional childrearing practice that's supposed to…
WW1 was also different for the troops experiencing it because of the technologies involved. There was a whole discussion here a few months back about how the WW1 battlefield (blasted trees, churned mud, etc) has shaped our expectations of what battlefields should look like. Before that, the battlefield itself was mostly untouched. Shell shock was a new phenomenon for soldiers from WW1 because it was a new experience…
I suspect that some of the harmful behaviors (we associate with PTSD) weren't socially abhorrent, in past eras.
eg: Societies generally condone some amount of mistreating other people. That particular outlet could have been fully acceptable, when done to marginal and lesser classes.
Re: Was there PTSD in the ancient or medieval world?
#79Reproducibility crisis says dunno?
Re: Was there PTSD in the ancient or medieval world?
#80Excellent counterpoint from r/AskHistorians (paragraph breaks added for legibility): [1] > Cross-cultural psychologists have observed that, regardless of cultural background, people who suffer persistent emotional disturbances in the wake of a traumatic event exhibit intrusive memory symptoms in some form. Here in the US, these are closely related to what we commonly call "flashbacks." For the Romans, people experien…